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Attributes | |
ACN | 298443 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl tower : stl |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Aero Commander 695 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 298443 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Cpr X departing stl in turbo commander 1000 (AC695A) received cards 3 departure with assigned altitude of 5000 ft. Departure reads for propeller aircraft 3000 ft or assigned altitude. Assumed clearance delivery knew what they were doing. Departure was expecting climb to 3000 ft. Had B727 ahead and left climbing to 5000 ft being vectored across our flight path. Departure saw upcoming conflict, stopped my climb at 4500 ft and issued 60 degree r-hand turn. VFR separation was maintained. Problem seems to be in aircraft type identify. A turbo commander 1000 is listed as AC95, but many controllers seem to think this is a jet commander 1121. Proper identify is important. Need to issue clarification of type idents. I suspect many pilots are not using this type identify. AC69 = jetprop commander, AC6T = 690C commander, AC84 = jet commander 840/980/1000, AC95 = 695 commander, (either of these idents are applicable to my aircraft).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR X ASSIGNED WRONG ALT FOR PROP ACFT HAD LTSS FROM B727. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: CPR X DEPARTING STL IN TURBO COMMANDER 1000 (AC695A) RECEIVED CARDS 3 DEP WITH ASSIGNED ALT OF 5000 FT. DEP READS FOR PROPELLER ACFT 3000 FT OR ASSIGNED ALT. ASSUMED CLRNC DELIVERY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING. DEP WAS EXPECTING CLB TO 3000 FT. HAD B727 AHEAD AND L CLBING TO 5000 FT BEING VECTORED ACROSS OUR FLT PATH. DEP SAW UPCOMING CONFLICT, STOPPED MY CLB AT 4500 FT AND ISSUED 60 DEG R-HAND TURN. VFR SEPARATION WAS MAINTAINED. PROB SEEMS TO BE IN ACFT TYPE IDENT. A TURBO COMMANDER 1000 IS LISTED AS AC95, BUT MANY CTLRS SEEM TO THINK THIS IS A JET COMMANDER 1121. PROPER IDENT IS IMPORTANT. NEED TO ISSUE CLARIFICATION OF TYPE IDENTS. I SUSPECT MANY PLTS ARE NOT USING THIS TYPE IDENT. AC69 = JETPROP COMMANDER, AC6T = 690C COMMANDER, AC84 = JET COMMANDER 840/980/1000, AC95 = 695 COMMANDER, (EITHER OF THESE IDENTS ARE APPLICABLE TO MY ACFT).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.