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Attributes | |
ACN | 298660 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zdc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 298660 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On descent, controller cleared us to 14000 ft pilot discretion to 10000 ft. At about 15 mi he said, 'change that to 12000 ft instead of 14000 ft.' we continued below 12-10 when he said, verify leveling at 12000 ft. We said we were pilot discretion to 10000 ft. He said no when I changed the clearance that eliminated the pd to 10000 ft. Later I apologized for the confusion. TCASII showed no conflict on our path for 20 mi. While we realize that 1 clearance can eliminate another this was confusing because it appeared he changed only 1 portion of the clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV DURING DSCNT IN WHICH THE CLRNC IS CONFUSING.
Narrative: ON DSCNT, CTLR CLRED US TO 14000 FT PLT DISCRETION TO 10000 FT. AT ABOUT 15 MI HE SAID, 'CHANGE THAT TO 12000 FT INSTEAD OF 14000 FT.' WE CONTINUED BELOW 12-10 WHEN HE SAID, VERIFY LEVELING AT 12000 FT. WE SAID WE WERE PLT DISCRETION TO 10000 FT. HE SAID NO WHEN I CHANGED THE CLRNC THAT ELIMINATED THE PD TO 10000 FT. LATER I APOLOGIZED FOR THE CONFUSION. TCASII SHOWED NO CONFLICT ON OUR PATH FOR 20 MI. WHILE WE REALIZE THAT 1 CLRNC CAN ELIMINATE ANOTHER THIS WAS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT APPEARED HE CHANGED ONLY 1 PORTION OF THE CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.