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Possible MOA incursion. Flight crew is concerned about flying into MOA but they are under ARTCC control at all times. ARTCC give vectors around the MOA area.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 298671 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199503 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : shr |
| State Reference | WY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time total : 19889 flight time type : 2193 |
| ASRS Report | 298671 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Sacramento (sac) to thunder bay (yot) navigating by FMC's updated by VOR/DME and supported by IRS. We checked in with ZLC ATC in the vicinity of battle mountain (bam) and after initial contact we requested clearance FMC navigation direct to thunder bay. After a short time we received our requested clearance and proceeded direct to thunder bay. Approaching the vicinity of sheridan (shr) wy still under the control of ZLC, but to a different controller, we were suddenly given a 40 degree left turn off course, shortly to be followed by 2 more left turns until we were heading about 100 degrees left of our original on course heading. We inquired as to the reason for the turns and were informed that we were about to enter an active MOA (military operating area) and had to be vectored around it. It was further explained that the MOA was normally only active from FL270 and below, but today was active from FL400 and below. The vector off course lasted 21 mins before we were reclred direct to thunder bay. This was rather disconcerting event. We were cleared initially into an active MOA that no one appeared aware of until the last min. We had no NOTAMS or warnings of this area, and there was nothing shown on our charts of such an area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POSSIBLE MOA INCURSION. FLC IS CONCERNED ABOUT FLYING INTO MOA BUT THEY ARE UNDER ARTCC CONTROL AT ALL TIMES. ARTCC GIVE VECTORS AROUND THE MOA AREA.
Narrative: SACRAMENTO (SAC) TO THUNDER BAY (YOT) NAVIGATING BY FMC'S UPDATED BY VOR/DME AND SUPPORTED BY IRS. WE CHKED IN WITH ZLC ATC IN THE VICINITY OF BATTLE MOUNTAIN (BAM) AND AFTER INITIAL CONTACT WE REQUESTED CLRNC FMC NAV DIRECT TO THUNDER BAY. AFTER A SHORT TIME WE RECEIVED OUR REQUESTED CLRNC AND PROCEEDED DIRECT TO THUNDER BAY. APCHING THE VICINITY OF SHERIDAN (SHR) WY STILL UNDER THE CTL OF ZLC, BUT TO A DIFFERENT CTLR, WE WERE SUDDENLY GIVEN A 40 DEG L TURN OFF COURSE, SHORTLY TO BE FOLLOWED BY 2 MORE L TURNS UNTIL WE WERE HDG ABOUT 100 DEGS L OF OUR ORIGINAL ON COURSE HDG. WE INQUIRED AS TO THE REASON FOR THE TURNS AND WERE INFORMED THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO ENTER AN ACTIVE MOA (MILITARY OPERATING AREA) AND HAD TO BE VECTORED AROUND IT. IT WAS FURTHER EXPLAINED THAT THE MOA WAS NORMALLY ONLY ACTIVE FROM FL270 AND BELOW, BUT TODAY WAS ACTIVE FROM FL400 AND BELOW. THE VECTOR OFF COURSE LASTED 21 MINS BEFORE WE WERE RECLRED DIRECT TO THUNDER BAY. THIS WAS RATHER DISCONCERTING EVENT. WE WERE CLRED INITIALLY INTO AN ACTIVE MOA THAT NO ONE APPEARED AWARE OF UNTIL THE LAST MIN. WE HAD NO NOTAMS OR WARNINGS OF THIS AREA, AND THERE WAS NOTHING SHOWN ON OUR CHARTS OF SUCH AN AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.