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Attributes | |
ACN | 299115 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pdz airport : ont |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3100 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ont |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 299115 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Departed ont airport runway 26L at XA50 local time with clearance to turn direct pdz VOR and climb to 7000 ft (prado 4 departure SID). Upon contacting departure control (ont departure) clearance changed to level at 4000 ft (we were already through 3000 ft which meant an abrupt leveloff). We always try to climb out as fast as possible because of the 3 light aircraft airports (chino, corona municipal, riverside municipal) and numerous light aircraft in the pdz VOR area. Also, typically during daylight hours the visibility is extremely limited facing south in smoggy conditions about 4 mi visibility in haze and smoke, but less flying south toward the sun. We picked up numerous targets on our TCASII and were extremely busy trying to visually identify them. One target was at our altitude at 12 O'clock, 4 mi when ATC inquired and told him he should be at 3000 ft instead of 4000 ft. Another was the traffic we were being held down for at 1 O'clock at 5000 ft and additional traffic on both right and left withiin 500 ft 2 mi. While trying to keep all this traffic in sight (hard to see any with poor visibility) we got an RA TCASII to descend from traffic about 1;30 O'clock and close, less than 1 mi. We immediately descended to about 3100 ft to stop the RA which put us only 1600 ft above the ground at pdz VOR, elevation 1495 ft dodging terrain and traffic in low visibility. This is an extremely bad place to put jet aircraft incompatible with light aircraft traffic congestion in poor visibility. We should be kept on ground instead of a low leveloff in this area. Perhaps a right turnout to a climbing right downwind before being turned to this area. It is extremely dangerous to keep jet traffic this low in this congested area. Controllers should do everything possible to not let this happen again. Also, controller seemed to have an altitude and was not helpful. This creates dangerous sits for his cessnas as well as airline traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EVASIVE ACTION DSCNT. ACR CREW IS FORCED TO DSND OVER HIGH TERRAIN TO AVOID ACFT USING TCASII.
Narrative: DEPARTED ONT ARPT RWY 26L AT XA50 LCL TIME WITH CLRNC TO TURN DIRECT PDZ VOR AND CLB TO 7000 FT (PRADO 4 DEP SID). UPON CONTACTING DEP CTL (ONT DEP) CLRNC CHANGED TO LEVEL AT 4000 FT (WE WERE ALREADY THROUGH 3000 FT WHICH MEANT AN ABRUPT LEVELOFF). WE ALWAYS TRY TO CLB OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE 3 LIGHT ACFT ARPTS (CHINO, CORONA MUNICIPAL, RIVERSIDE MUNICIPAL) AND NUMEROUS LIGHT ACFT IN THE PDZ VOR AREA. ALSO, TYPICALLY DURING DAYLIGHT HRS THE VISIBILITY IS EXTREMELY LIMITED FACING S IN SMOGGY CONDITIONS ABOUT 4 MI VISIBILITY IN HAZE AND SMOKE, BUT LESS FLYING S TOWARD THE SUN. WE PICKED UP NUMEROUS TARGETS ON OUR TCASII AND WERE EXTREMELY BUSY TRYING TO VISUALLY IDENT THEM. ONE TARGET WAS AT OUR ALT AT 12 O'CLOCK, 4 MI WHEN ATC INQUIRED AND TOLD HIM HE SHOULD BE AT 3000 FT INSTEAD OF 4000 FT. ANOTHER WAS THE TFC WE WERE BEING HELD DOWN FOR AT 1 O'CLOCK AT 5000 FT AND ADDITIONAL TFC ON BOTH R AND L WITHIIN 500 FT 2 MI. WHILE TRYING TO KEEP ALL THIS TFC IN SIGHT (HARD TO SEE ANY WITH POOR VISIBILITY) WE GOT AN RA TCASII TO DSND FROM TFC ABOUT 1;30 O'CLOCK AND CLOSE, LESS THAN 1 MI. WE IMMEDIATELY DSNDED TO ABOUT 3100 FT TO STOP THE RA WHICH PUT US ONLY 1600 FT ABOVE THE GND AT PDZ VOR, ELEVATION 1495 FT DODGING TERRAIN AND TFC IN LOW VISIBILITY. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY BAD PLACE TO PUT JET ACFT INCOMPATIBLE WITH LIGHT ACFT TFC CONGESTION IN POOR VISIBILITY. WE SHOULD BE KEPT ON GND INSTEAD OF A LOW LEVELOFF IN THIS AREA. PERHAPS A R TURNOUT TO A CLBING R DOWNWIND BEFORE BEING TURNED TO THIS AREA. IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO KEEP JET TFC THIS LOW IN THIS CONGESTED AREA. CTLRS SHOULD DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. ALSO, CTLR SEEMED TO HAVE AN ALT AND WAS NOT HELPFUL. THIS CREATES DANGEROUS SITS FOR HIS CESSNAS AS WELL AS AIRLINE TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.