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Attributes | |
ACN | 299148 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sie |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 39900 msl bound upper : 41000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 130 |
ASRS Report | 299148 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While on a routine flight to stt we were asked by nyc to climb to FL410 or if unable to maintain FL370 and standby for rerte. Both captain and first officer are new to this aircraft model and after selecting a higher altitude on CDU/FMS and entering maximum altitude showed on CDU to be 40.9. We then notified ATC that we could accept FL410. We began climb to FL410 and as we passed FL399 we noticed airspeed was extremely low (210 KIAS). We were in vertical speed mode on MCP with about 1400 FPM selected. At the time I noticed the low speed we were 15 NM from our crossing restr of FL410 at champ. We leveled off and then began a shallow descent to accelerate. We then again tried to climb, but airspeed began to decline. After passing our fix (champ) at FL399 we decided to notify ATC. We were vectored off course and leveled at FL390. We did a 360 degree turn and reintercepted champs after approximately 10 mins of vectoring at FL410. First lesson: do not use vertical speed mode to climb at high altitude as this could lead to stall or upset. Second lesson: be cautious of the maximum altitude message. The computer is not always correct. Third lesson: notify ATC in a timely manner if deviation is imminent.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT UNDERSHOT. FLC MISUSES AUTOPLT AND MISINTERPRETS FMC DATA AND MISSES XING ALT RESTR.
Narrative: WHILE ON A ROUTINE FLT TO STT WE WERE ASKED BY NYC TO CLB TO FL410 OR IF UNABLE TO MAINTAIN FL370 AND STANDBY FOR RERTE. BOTH CAPT AND FO ARE NEW TO THIS ACFT MODEL AND AFTER SELECTING A HIGHER ALT ON CDU/FMS AND ENTERING MAX ALT SHOWED ON CDU TO BE 40.9. WE THEN NOTIFIED ATC THAT WE COULD ACCEPT FL410. WE BEGAN CLB TO FL410 AND AS WE PASSED FL399 WE NOTICED AIRSPD WAS EXTREMELY LOW (210 KIAS). WE WERE IN VERT SPD MODE ON MCP WITH ABOUT 1400 FPM SELECTED. AT THE TIME I NOTICED THE LOW SPD WE WERE 15 NM FROM OUR XING RESTR OF FL410 AT CHAMP. WE LEVELED OFF AND THEN BEGAN A SHALLOW DSCNT TO ACCELERATE. WE THEN AGAIN TRIED TO CLB, BUT AIRSPD BEGAN TO DECLINE. AFTER PASSING OUR FIX (CHAMP) AT FL399 WE DECIDED TO NOTIFY ATC. WE WERE VECTORED OFF COURSE AND LEVELED AT FL390. WE DID A 360 DEG TURN AND REINTERCEPTED CHAMPS AFTER APPROX 10 MINS OF VECTORING AT FL410. FIRST LESSON: DO NOT USE VERT SPD MODE TO CLB AT HIGH ALT AS THIS COULD LEAD TO STALL OR UPSET. SECOND LESSON: BE CAUTIOUS OF THE MAX ALT MESSAGE. THE COMPUTER IS NOT ALWAYS CORRECT. THIRD LESSON: NOTIFY ATC IN A TIMELY MANNER IF DEV IS IMMINENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.