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Attributes | |
ACN | 300450 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mem |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme tower : ewn |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5507 flight time type : 3100 |
ASRS Report | 300450 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
At approximately 57 DME from walet intersection at 15000 ft MSL while tracking the 352 degree radial from sqs VOR, we were given the crossing restr of walet at 6000 ft. The captain (PF) then initiated a slow 500 FPM descent. At this time, because we were slightly east of course, we were given a heading of 340 degrees to intercept the mem 225 degree radial and cross walet intersection at 6000 ft. Soon thereafter, center gave us a heading of 335 degrees to intercept. After company calls and checklist were completed. I noticed that the captain did not increase our descent rate. We were at 11000 ft and approximately 12 DME from walet. I visually looked outside and saw that we were well east of the visual landmarks that are easy to define walet intersection, therefore we still had at least 20 mi to intercept the 225 degree radial and would never cross walet intersection. The captain increased his descent and center then turned us to a heading of 360 degrees. We crossed 30 DME southwest of mem VOR at 6000 ft, however ATC asked us our altitude and queried us about our restr. Nothing further was said and the flight landed uneventfully. I send this simply because I am puzzled by ATC and their perceived irritation with our restr. Although given 3 heading changes, none of the vectors given brought us near walet intersection. Our only means of determining walet (225 degree radial mem, 29.7 DME) was useless because of bad vectoring. Our only other resource was to meet the DME distance which we did 30 DME southwest of mem VOR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X UNABLE TO MEET ALT RESTR AT INTXN BECAUSE OF RADAR VECTORS.
Narrative: AT APPROX 57 DME FROM WALET INTXN AT 15000 FT MSL WHILE TRACKING THE 352 DEG RADIAL FROM SQS VOR, WE WERE GIVEN THE XING RESTR OF WALET AT 6000 FT. THE CAPT (PF) THEN INITIATED A SLOW 500 FPM DSCNT. AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE WERE SLIGHTLY E OF COURSE, WE WERE GIVEN A HDG OF 340 DEGS TO INTERCEPT THE MEM 225 DEG RADIAL AND CROSS WALET INTXN AT 6000 FT. SOON THEREAFTER, CTR GAVE US A HDG OF 335 DEGS TO INTERCEPT. AFTER COMPANY CALLS AND CHKLIST WERE COMPLETED. I NOTICED THAT THE CAPT DID NOT INCREASE OUR DSCNT RATE. WE WERE AT 11000 FT AND APPROX 12 DME FROM WALET. I VISUALLY LOOKED OUTSIDE AND SAW THAT WE WERE WELL E OF THE VISUAL LANDMARKS THAT ARE EASY TO DEFINE WALET INTXN, THEREFORE WE STILL HAD AT LEAST 20 MI TO INTERCEPT THE 225 DEG RADIAL AND WOULD NEVER CROSS WALET INTXN. THE CAPT INCREASED HIS DSCNT AND CTR THEN TURNED US TO A HDG OF 360 DEGS. WE CROSSED 30 DME SW OF MEM VOR AT 6000 FT, HOWEVER ATC ASKED US OUR ALT AND QUERIED US ABOUT OUR RESTR. NOTHING FURTHER WAS SAID AND THE FLT LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. I SEND THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM PUZZLED BY ATC AND THEIR PERCEIVED IRRITATION WITH OUR RESTR. ALTHOUGH GIVEN 3 HDG CHANGES, NONE OF THE VECTORS GIVEN BROUGHT US NEAR WALET INTXN. OUR ONLY MEANS OF DETERMINING WALET (225 DEG RADIAL MEM, 29.7 DME) WAS USELESS BECAUSE OF BAD VECTORING. OUR ONLY OTHER RESOURCE WAS TO MEET THE DME DISTANCE WHICH WE DID 30 DME SW OF MEM VOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.