Incorrect weight manifest information fed to flight crew for weight and balance computations.

Attributes
ACN	300567
Time
Date	199503
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : msp
State Reference	MN
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lmt
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 252 flight time total : 3400 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	300564
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On mar/xx/95 we determined that our zero fuel weight would be overweight if we took the passenger and bay load we were given. We asked that 45 bags be removed from the aircraft. We received a new bag count. Upon arriving in acapulco, it seemed everyone had their luggage. An inquiry into this situation revealed that 'supposedly' the bags had been miscounted originally, so we were rptedly within weights from the start. 1 week later we returned to acapulco to pick up the same passenger. We had to leave 50 bags in acapulco to remain within zero fuel weight limits. It is my strong belief that somewhere in msp, the crews are being lied to about the loads on their aircraft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INCORRECT WT MANIFEST INFO FED TO FLC FOR WT AND BAL COMPUTATIONS.

Narrative: ON MAR/XX/95 WE DETERMINED THAT OUR ZERO FUEL WT WOULD BE OVERWT IF WE TOOK THE PAX AND BAY LOAD WE WERE GIVEN. WE ASKED THAT 45 BAGS BE REMOVED FROM THE ACFT. WE RECEIVED A NEW BAG COUNT. UPON ARRIVING IN ACAPULCO, IT SEEMED EVERYONE HAD THEIR LUGGAGE. AN INQUIRY INTO THIS SIT REVEALED THAT 'SUPPOSEDLY' THE BAGS HAD BEEN MISCOUNTED ORIGINALLY, SO WE WERE RPTEDLY WITHIN WTS FROM THE START. 1 WK LATER WE RETURNED TO ACAPULCO TO PICK UP THE SAME PAX. WE HAD TO LEAVE 50 BAGS IN ACAPULCO TO REMAIN WITHIN ZERO FUEL WT LIMITS. IT IS MY STRONG BELIEF THAT SOMEWHERE IN MSP, THE CREWS ARE BEING LIED TO ABOUT THE LOADS ON THEIR ACFT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.