Approach procedure evaluation.

Attributes
ACN	301076
Time
Date	199504
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sxz airport : sfo
State Reference	CA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : oak
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	301076
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

ATIS gave runway 28R ILS as approach in progress. This was the approach that was briefed. We were not informed of the lda approach until switched over to bay approach. This is unsatisfactory for an approach this difficult. We had to request a lower altitude from bay approach several times. When finally cleared for the lda to runway 28R, we were already 2000 ft too high. The clearance for the approach also contained a 20 KT airspeed reduction request. We did not see the runway until .2 of a mi before the missed approach, even though the ceiling was reported at 1900 ft. Recommendations: give the crew adequate time to plan and brief the approach. Put it on the ATIS. Clear the pilots for the approach early enough so that they can make the crossing restrs. The minimum is too low. Raise it or lower the MDA. The turn onto final is too steep.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: APCH PROC EVALUATION.

Narrative: ATIS GAVE RWY 28R ILS AS APCH IN PROGRESS. THIS WAS THE APCH THAT WAS BRIEFED. WE WERE NOT INFORMED OF THE LDA APCH UNTIL SWITCHED OVER TO BAY APCH. THIS IS UNSATISFACTORY FOR AN APCH THIS DIFFICULT. WE HAD TO REQUEST A LOWER ALT FROM BAY APCH SEVERAL TIMES. WHEN FINALLY CLRED FOR THE LDA TO RWY 28R, WE WERE ALREADY 2000 FT TOO HIGH. THE CLRNC FOR THE APCH ALSO CONTAINED A 20 KT AIRSPD REDUCTION REQUEST. WE DID NOT SEE THE RWY UNTIL .2 OF A MI BEFORE THE MISSED APCH, EVEN THOUGH THE CEILING WAS RPTED AT 1900 FT. RECOMMENDATIONS: GIVE THE CREW ADEQUATE TIME TO PLAN AND BRIEF THE APCH. PUT IT ON THE ATIS. CLR THE PLTS FOR THE APCH EARLY ENOUGH SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE XING RESTRS. THE MINIMUM IS TOO LOW. RAISE IT OR LOWER THE MDA. THE TURN ONTO FINAL IS TOO STEEP.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.