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Attributes | |
ACN | 301080 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pie |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10600 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma tracon : tpa |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 15300 flight time type : 10500 |
ASRS Report | 301080 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Copilot was flying the airplane. We received clearance to cross the brdge intersection at 11000 ft. The descent was started from FL220 at 20-25 mi from brdge intersection. Passing through 15000 ft, ZMA advised us of traffic ahead of 10000 ft that we would be overtaking. Passing through 13000 ft, center gave us a frequency change to tpa approach. At that time we were 1 mi behind the traffic (with visual contact of the aircraft) and descending at 4000 FPM. As I was changing frequency to approach control, the copilot started to level off at 11000 ft, but was slow in doing so. I was talking to approach and pointing to the altimeter for the copilot to see that he needed to level off. The descent was continued down to 10600 ft before it was arrested and returned to 11000 ft. The aircraft below us (a commuter flight with TCASII) questioned approach in a high pitched voice as to what we were doing. We had set off an alert on the TCASII. They never said if they had responded to the alert with an altitude change approach told them that he showed us at 11000 ft and that that was the altitude we were cleared to. Apparently the approach controller did not get an alert on his equipment. In the past, I have set off TCASII alerts with high rates of descent, but never before had I broken a 1000 ft altitude separation. High rates of descent are common with our flying. We are used to it and most controllers know that we make steep dscnts and still make restrs. The copilot normally does a good job, this time he screwed up. I was distracted by the frequency change. When I did look at his descent, it did not look out of the ordinary. From now on, I will delay the radio call to insure that the proper altitudes are achieved!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT ENSUES AS ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT IN DSCNT.
Narrative: COPLT WAS FLYING THE AIRPLANE. WE RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS THE BRDGE INTXN AT 11000 FT. THE DSCNT WAS STARTED FROM FL220 AT 20-25 MI FROM BRDGE INTXN. PASSING THROUGH 15000 FT, ZMA ADVISED US OF TFC AHEAD OF 10000 FT THAT WE WOULD BE OVERTAKING. PASSING THROUGH 13000 FT, CTR GAVE US A FREQ CHANGE TO TPA APCH. AT THAT TIME WE WERE 1 MI BEHIND THE TFC (WITH VISUAL CONTACT OF THE ACFT) AND DSNDING AT 4000 FPM. AS I WAS CHANGING FREQ TO APCH CTL, THE COPLT STARTED TO LEVEL OFF AT 11000 FT, BUT WAS SLOW IN DOING SO. I WAS TALKING TO APCH AND POINTING TO THE ALTIMETER FOR THE COPLT TO SEE THAT HE NEEDED TO LEVEL OFF. THE DSCNT WAS CONTINUED DOWN TO 10600 FT BEFORE IT WAS ARRESTED AND RETURNED TO 11000 FT. THE ACFT BELOW US (A COMMUTER FLT WITH TCASII) QUESTIONED APCH IN A HIGH PITCHED VOICE AS TO WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE HAD SET OFF AN ALERT ON THE TCASII. THEY NEVER SAID IF THEY HAD RESPONDED TO THE ALERT WITH AN ALT CHANGE APCH TOLD THEM THAT HE SHOWED US AT 11000 FT AND THAT THAT WAS THE ALT WE WERE CLRED TO. APPARENTLY THE APCH CTLR DID NOT GET AN ALERT ON HIS EQUIP. IN THE PAST, I HAVE SET OFF TCASII ALERTS WITH HIGH RATES OF DSCNT, BUT NEVER BEFORE HAD I BROKEN A 1000 FT ALT SEPARATION. HIGH RATES OF DSCNT ARE COMMON WITH OUR FLYING. WE ARE USED TO IT AND MOST CTLRS KNOW THAT WE MAKE STEEP DSCNTS AND STILL MAKE RESTRS. THE COPLT NORMALLY DOES A GOOD JOB, THIS TIME HE SCREWED UP. I WAS DISTRACTED BY THE FREQ CHANGE. WHEN I DID LOOK AT HIS DSCNT, IT DID NOT LOOK OUT OF THE ORDINARY. FROM NOW ON, I WILL DELAY THE RADIO CALL TO INSURE THAT THE PROPER ALTS ARE ACHIEVED!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.