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Attributes | |
ACN | 301245 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : lga |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 301245 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
This is not an incident report. I read callback all the time, and I read that you are conducting interviews about wake turbulence. I would be glad to be part of your survey, and I would like to make a few comments about the problem of wake turbulence encounters. I find that the current practices to avoid wake turbulence are adequate, the problem is ATC, especially the tower controllers. I was maintaining 5 mi separation behind a B-757 while landing at lga, and the controller was harassing me to keep the speed up! At phl they land large aircraft on runway 27R, and put the smaller aircraft on runway 35, and space them to land right behind the large airplanes. This same type of situation goes on at many busy airports such as dca. The controllers are pushed to keep 'packing in the airplanes' and they don't allow space for wake turbulence separation. At some airports if you made it a point to go by the guidelines set forth in the aim, one would never takeoff or land, the system is just too overtaxed. I fly a dehavilland dash 8, no match for wake turbulence from a large airplane. Make ATC follow the guidelines in the aim.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WAKE TURB ENCOUNTER.
Narrative: THIS IS NOT AN INCIDENT RPT. I READ CALLBACK ALL THE TIME, AND I READ THAT YOU ARE CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS ABOUT WAKE TURB. I WOULD BE GLAD TO BE PART OF YOUR SURVEY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROB OF WAKE TURB ENCOUNTERS. I FIND THAT THE CURRENT PRACTICES TO AVOID WAKE TURB ARE ADEQUATE, THE PROB IS ATC, ESPECIALLY THE TWR CTLRS. I WAS MAINTAINING 5 MI SEPARATION BEHIND A B-757 WHILE LNDG AT LGA, AND THE CTLR WAS HARASSING ME TO KEEP THE SPD UP! AT PHL THEY LAND LARGE ACFT ON RWY 27R, AND PUT THE SMALLER ACFT ON RWY 35, AND SPACE THEM TO LAND RIGHT BEHIND THE LARGE AIRPLANES. THIS SAME TYPE OF SIT GOES ON AT MANY BUSY ARPTS SUCH AS DCA. THE CTLRS ARE PUSHED TO KEEP 'PACKING IN THE AIRPLANES' AND THEY DON'T ALLOW SPACE FOR WAKE TURB SEPARATION. AT SOME ARPTS IF YOU MADE IT A POINT TO GO BY THE GUIDELINES SET FORTH IN THE AIM, ONE WOULD NEVER TKOF OR LAND, THE SYS IS JUST TOO OVERTAXED. I FLY A DEHAVILLAND DASH 8, NO MATCH FOR WAKE TURB FROM A LARGE AIRPLANE. MAKE ATC FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES IN THE AIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.