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Landing on occupied runway. This highly experienced instructor thinks that the other pilot was wrong to get upset when the instructor allowed his student to land on the runway before the other pilot was clear of it.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 302175 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199504 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : h41 |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | PA-38 Tomahawk |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 302175 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Instructing a student (military cadet) doing lndgs in pattern on runway 24 (5500 ft long). A tomahawk was ahead of us on our last landing. I had student extend pattern somewhat. We landed 1/2 mi behind the tomahawk. Immediately, as the tomahawk exited the runway, its pilot was on the radio stating 'you could have at least extended the courtesy of letting me clear the runway first' plus a lot more. No reply by us was either in order or ethical. I was sorry it was our last landing because soon the irate pilot, who we did not know, was approaching us, 'who is PIC of this (our) aircraft?' we did no rebuttal and little reply and offered no apology as our 1/2 mi separation was far more than adequate for safety. (Airstrips we use most are barely 1/2 mi long.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LNDG ON OCCUPIED RWY. THIS HIGHLY EXPERIENCED INSTRUCTOR THINKS THAT THE OTHER PLT WAS WRONG TO GET UPSET WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR ALLOWED HIS STUDENT TO LAND ON THE RWY BEFORE THE OTHER PLT WAS CLR OF IT.
Narrative: INSTRUCTING A STUDENT (MIL CADET) DOING LNDGS IN PATTERN ON RWY 24 (5500 FT LONG). A TOMAHAWK WAS AHEAD OF US ON OUR LAST LNDG. I HAD STUDENT EXTEND PATTERN SOMEWHAT. WE LANDED 1/2 MI BEHIND THE TOMAHAWK. IMMEDIATELY, AS THE TOMAHAWK EXITED THE RWY, ITS PLT WAS ON THE RADIO STATING 'YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST EXTENDED THE COURTESY OF LETTING ME CLR THE RWY FIRST' PLUS A LOT MORE. NO REPLY BY US WAS EITHER IN ORDER OR ETHICAL. I WAS SORRY IT WAS OUR LAST LNDG BECAUSE SOON THE IRATE PLT, WHO WE DID NOT KNOW, WAS APCHING US, 'WHO IS PIC OF THIS (OUR) ACFT?' WE DID NO REBUTTAL AND LITTLE REPLY AND OFFERED NO APOLOGY AS OUR 1/2 MI SEPARATION WAS FAR MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR SAFETY. (AIRSTRIPS WE USE MOST ARE BARELY 1/2 MI LONG.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.