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Attributes | |
ACN | 302725 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tracon : cof |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 302725 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were cleared via the laxx 2 departure with a daggett transition. This is the only SID chart I have ever seen that did not have the transition described in the same body of text as the takeoff instructions. Furthermore it is not described anywhere on the chart and only is used before XA00 local. As a result, we interpreted our clearance as a heading for vectors to daggett VOR. When departure cleared us to seal beach, we argued that it was not on our flight plan. We finally realized our error after very closely reading the chart. This chart should be changed to more accurately reflect the format used on other SID charts. Important information is obscurely hidden in the chart. This is potentially unsafe and disruptive to ATC and flcs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SID CHART FORMAT LEADS TO FLC CONFUSION.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED VIA THE LAXX 2 DEP WITH A DAGGETT TRANSITION. THIS IS THE ONLY SID CHART I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT DID NOT HAVE THE TRANSITION DESCRIBED IN THE SAME BODY OF TEXT AS THE TKOF INSTRUCTIONS. FURTHERMORE IT IS NOT DESCRIBED ANYWHERE ON THE CHART AND ONLY IS USED BEFORE XA00 LCL. AS A RESULT, WE INTERPRETED OUR CLRNC AS A HDG FOR VECTORS TO DAGGETT VOR. WHEN DEP CLRED US TO SEAL BEACH, WE ARGUED THAT IT WAS NOT ON OUR FLT PLAN. WE FINALLY REALIZED OUR ERROR AFTER VERY CLOSELY READING THE CHART. THIS CHART SHOULD BE CHANGED TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE FORMAT USED ON OTHER SID CHARTS. IMPORTANT INFO IS OBSCURELY HIDDEN IN THE CHART. THIS IS POTENTIALLY UNSAFE AND DISRUPTIVE TO ATC AND FLCS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.