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Attributes | |
ACN | 303351 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dab |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 303351 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were at 10000 ft on J-79 just south of crg. We had been given this lower altitude due to thunderstorms along the east coast of florida, therefore we were talking to jax approach. We had asked and been given a heading of about 220 degrees to parallel a line of level 3 and 4 thunderstorms. Jax handed us off to dab approach approximately 40 mi northwest of dab. At this time we were still on a course to deviate around WX. About 20 mi northwest of dab, approach control informed us that we were about 10 mi west of restr area R-2907A and R-2910. We told dab, that we were deviating due to WX, and that we could not turn east. We told dab approach, that we needed to continue on our heading for about another 20 mi and then we could turn eastbound. We were then informed by approach, that we would penetrate a restr area in 9 mi. At this point in time we could not turn east. There was a line of level 3 and 4 contouring thunderstorms just east of us. The only course we could take was to remain on the heading that we were on or turn west. If we turned west we would have penetrated a number of restr areas. We informed dab of our situation and were told that they understood. We continued on our present heading until we cleared the storms, then turned east. We asked dab, if we had in fact penetrated a restr area. We were told, that the areas were not depicted on their equipment and were not sure, if we had actually penetrated any restr areas. Apparently, jax approach control did not relay to dab approach control that we were deviating due to WX and our heading. Dab should have informed us of our position, as it related to the restr areas in a more timely fashion. At the time we were informed of our position, we had only 1 option that we could safely accept. Continue on our present heading to avoid that area of thunderstorms that were just east of our course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE DEVIATING FOR TSTMS, AN ACR FLC MAY HAVE ENTERED RESTR AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE AT 10000 FT ON J-79 JUST S OF CRG. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN THIS LOWER ALT DUE TO TSTMS ALONG THE E COAST OF FLORIDA, THEREFORE WE WERE TALKING TO JAX APCH. WE HAD ASKED AND BEEN GIVEN A HDG OF ABOUT 220 DEGS TO PARALLEL A LINE OF LEVEL 3 AND 4 TSTMS. JAX HANDED US OFF TO DAB APCH APPROX 40 MI NW OF DAB. AT THIS TIME WE WERE STILL ON A COURSE TO DEVIATE AROUND WX. ABOUT 20 MI NW OF DAB, APCH CTL INFORMED US THAT WE WERE ABOUT 10 MI W OF RESTR AREA R-2907A AND R-2910. WE TOLD DAB, THAT WE WERE DEVIATING DUE TO WX, AND THAT WE COULD NOT TURN E. WE TOLD DAB APCH, THAT WE NEEDED TO CONTINUE ON OUR HDG FOR ABOUT ANOTHER 20 MI AND THEN WE COULD TURN EBOUND. WE WERE THEN INFORMED BY APCH, THAT WE WOULD PENETRATE A RESTR AREA IN 9 MI. AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE COULD NOT TURN E. THERE WAS A LINE OF LEVEL 3 AND 4 CONTOURING TSTMS JUST E OF US. THE ONLY COURSE WE COULD TAKE WAS TO REMAIN ON THE HDG THAT WE WERE ON OR TURN W. IF WE TURNED W WE WOULD HAVE PENETRATED A NUMBER OF RESTR AREAS. WE INFORMED DAB OF OUR SIT AND WERE TOLD THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD. WE CONTINUED ON OUR PRESENT HDG UNTIL WE CLRED THE STORMS, THEN TURNED E. WE ASKED DAB, IF WE HAD IN FACT PENETRATED A RESTR AREA. WE WERE TOLD, THAT THE AREAS WERE NOT DEPICTED ON THEIR EQUIP AND WERE NOT SURE, IF WE HAD ACTUALLY PENETRATED ANY RESTR AREAS. APPARENTLY, JAX APCH CTL DID NOT RELAY TO DAB APCH CTL THAT WE WERE DEVIATING DUE TO WX AND OUR HDG. DAB SHOULD HAVE INFORMED US OF OUR POS, AS IT RELATED TO THE RESTR AREAS IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION. AT THE TIME WE WERE INFORMED OF OUR POS, WE HAD ONLY 1 OPTION THAT WE COULD SAFELY ACCEPT. CONTINUE ON OUR PRESENT HDG TO AVOID THAT AREA OF TSTMS THAT WERE JUST E OF OUR COURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.