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Attributes | |
ACN | 304040 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : scr |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8300 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : gig |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighter |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 304040 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 6300 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 304047 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While executing echo 2 procedure (ILS runway 10 at sbgl). Started descent to 8000 ft at approximately 8500 ft TA sounded showing another aircraft at 6 O'clock and 300 ft below and in a climb. Target stayed at 6 O'clock as aircraft climbed from 8500 ft to 12000 ft. Captain advised ATC and they replied with 'just advised of military fighting plane intercepting at 12000 ft) target exited TCASII rapidly moving from 6 O'clock to 8 O'clock. We never gained a visual identify of target. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter said that his B767-300'er was at flaps 5 degrees and descending out of 8500 ft for 8000 ft when the event began. He feels that allowing military fighter intercepts on civil transports is a very dangerous practice. The flight crew did not make a point of this with the brazilian auths because they were unsure of their reaction. The crew did fill out the NASA forms with the assistance of operations personnel, however. The reporter thought at one time that the fighter actually hit them. There was an unusual amount of noise and the targets had merged and we could not see the fighter. Supplemental information from acn 304047: during descent to 8000 ft at approximately 8500 ft TCASII TA at 6 O'clock, less than 1 mi, 300 ft below was immediately followed by RA at same position. Initial command was to 'descend' at 1000 FPM then command was 'monitor vertical speed' -- then at about 8300 ft -- TCASII command reversed to 'climb' at 2000 FPM. At 12000 ft MSL TCASII target moved to 8 O'clock position and continued moving away. No visual contact. Captain advised gig approach control of TCASII conflict and was told 'military fighting plane intercepting.' during conflict target stayed 3000 ft below during aggressive climb from 8300 ft to 12000 ft -- after 12000 ft target began to descend and moved to left and aft, no further conflict, crew had been on duty since XA20 EDT approximately (12 hours, all night flight).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL PLT BEHAVIOR AGGRESSION -- ACR RPTS BEING TRACKED BY A FOREIGN MIL FIGHTER THAT CLOSED TO WITHIN LESS THAN 100 FT (ESTIMATED) VERTLY.
Narrative: WHILE EXECUTING ECHO 2 PROC (ILS RWY 10 AT SBGL). STARTED DSCNT TO 8000 FT AT APPROX 8500 FT TA SOUNDED SHOWING ANOTHER ACFT AT 6 O'CLOCK AND 300 FT BELOW AND IN A CLB. TARGET STAYED AT 6 O'CLOCK AS ACFT CLBED FROM 8500 FT TO 12000 FT. CAPT ADVISED ATC AND THEY REPLIED WITH 'JUST ADVISED OF MIL FIGHTING PLANE INTERCEPTING AT 12000 FT) TARGET EXITED TCASII RAPIDLY MOVING FROM 6 O'CLOCK TO 8 O'CLOCK. WE NEVER GAINED A VISUAL IDENT OF TARGET. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR SAID THAT HIS B767-300'ER WAS AT FLAPS 5 DEGS AND DSNDING OUT OF 8500 FT FOR 8000 FT WHEN THE EVENT BEGAN. HE FEELS THAT ALLOWING MIL FIGHTER INTERCEPTS ON CIVIL TRANSPORTS IS A VERY DANGEROUS PRACTICE. THE FLC DID NOT MAKE A POINT OF THIS WITH THE BRAZILIAN AUTHS BECAUSE THEY WERE UNSURE OF THEIR REACTION. THE CREW DID FILL OUT THE NASA FORMS WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OPS PERSONNEL, HOWEVER. THE RPTR THOUGHT AT ONE TIME THAT THE FIGHTER ACTUALLY HIT THEM. THERE WAS AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF NOISE AND THE TARGETS HAD MERGED AND WE COULD NOT SEE THE FIGHTER. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 304047: DURING DSCNT TO 8000 FT AT APPROX 8500 FT TCASII TA AT 6 O'CLOCK, LESS THAN 1 MI, 300 FT BELOW WAS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY RA AT SAME POS. INITIAL COMMAND WAS TO 'DSND' AT 1000 FPM THEN COMMAND WAS 'MONITOR VERT SPD' -- THEN AT ABOUT 8300 FT -- TCASII COMMAND REVERSED TO 'CLB' AT 2000 FPM. AT 12000 FT MSL TCASII TARGET MOVED TO 8 O'CLOCK POS AND CONTINUED MOVING AWAY. NO VISUAL CONTACT. CAPT ADVISED GIG APCH CTL OF TCASII CONFLICT AND WAS TOLD 'MIL FIGHTING PLANE INTERCEPTING.' DURING CONFLICT TARGET STAYED 3000 FT BELOW DURING AGGRESSIVE CLB FROM 8300 FT TO 12000 FT -- AFTER 12000 FT TARGET BEGAN TO DSND AND MOVED TO L AND AFT, NO FURTHER CONFLICT, CREW HAD BEEN ON DUTY SINCE XA20 EDT APPROX (12 HRS, ALL NIGHT FLT).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.