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Attributes | |
ACN | 304750 |
Time | |
Date | 199505 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : idwc airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3600 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw tower : bna |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 400 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 304750 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 304877 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On approach to dtw level at 4000 ft approach control tells us to maintain 4000 ft we replied that we were at 4000 ft so he said check altimeter 29.55. The first officer had copied the ATIS and wrote down 29.94. We corrected the altimeter and showed a 400 ft difference the controller had a 500 ft on his scope. However our altitude was clearly 400 ft different. I tuned the radio #2 to ATIS again and the ATIS was reporting 29.54. This error in recording down the ATIS was never caught by anyone until the final approach controller. ZOB was busy and when originally cleared to 12000 ft he hadn't given us an altimeter setting and also never noticed the error in altitude. Then on the first dtw approach control frequency again the same thing. And not until we were leveling at 4000 ft did the last approach controller notice the error. Without an altimeter setting from ATC in the descent or anywhere else we had no xchk to catch the error. The altimeter setting by ATC is normal, however workload and oversight contributed to the miss by the first officer. P.south. The first officer said he listened to the ATIS twice. Supplemental information from acn 304877: ATIS information for dtw received 100 mi from airport. On final for runway 21R at dtw, the second approach controller questioned our altitude. We were at 4000 ft MSL but actual was 3600 ft when he provided, at this time, the correct altimeter setting.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PNF COPIED ATIS ALTIMETER SETTING INCORRECTLY. FLC RPTED THAT THE ERROR WAS NOT CAUGHT BY ANYONE, UNTIL APCH CTLR INTERVENED, DURING THE INITIAL APCH PHASE.
Narrative: ON APCH TO DTW LEVEL AT 4000 FT APCH CTL TELLS US TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE AT 4000 FT SO HE SAID CHK ALTIMETER 29.55. THE FO HAD COPIED THE ATIS AND WROTE DOWN 29.94. WE CORRECTED THE ALTIMETER AND SHOWED A 400 FT DIFFERENCE THE CTLR HAD A 500 FT ON HIS SCOPE. HOWEVER OUR ALT WAS CLRLY 400 FT DIFFERENT. I TUNED THE RADIO #2 TO ATIS AGAIN AND THE ATIS WAS RPTING 29.54. THIS ERROR IN RECORDING DOWN THE ATIS WAS NEVER CAUGHT BY ANYONE UNTIL THE FINAL APCH CTLR. ZOB WAS BUSY AND WHEN ORIGINALLY CLRED TO 12000 FT HE HADN'T GIVEN US AN ALTIMETER SETTING AND ALSO NEVER NOTICED THE ERROR IN ALTITUDE. THEN ON THE FIRST DTW APCH CTL FREQ AGAIN THE SAME THING. AND NOT UNTIL WE WERE LEVELING AT 4000 FT DID THE LAST APCH CTLR NOTICE THE ERROR. WITHOUT AN ALTIMETER SETTING FROM ATC IN THE DSCNT OR ANYWHERE ELSE WE HAD NO XCHK TO CATCH THE ERROR. THE ALTIMETER SETTING BY ATC IS NORMAL, HOWEVER WORKLOAD AND OVERSIGHT CONTRIBUTED TO THE MISS BY THE FO. P.S. THE FO SAID HE LISTENED TO THE ATIS TWICE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 304877: ATIS INFO FOR DTW RECEIVED 100 MI FROM ARPT. ON FINAL FOR RWY 21R AT DTW, THE SECOND APCH CTLR QUESTIONED OUR ALT. WE WERE AT 4000 FT MSL BUT ACTUAL WAS 3600 FT WHEN HE PROVIDED, AT THIS TIME, THE CORRECT ALTIMETER SETTING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.