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Attributes | |
ACN | 307597 |
Time | |
Date | 199506 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 307597 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 2700 |
ASRS Report | 307790 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Running behind schedule, used runway 28 for departure. First officer did not figure weights for that runway prior to departure. Taxi was quick. He assumed we were ok for the runway at full power. Used flaps 1 degree, over runway limit by 9500 pounds. Rotated last 1000 ft of runway bad cockpit resource management on my part, made the first officer feel pressured to hurry to make up time. Should have realized we were heavy for that runway bad situational awareness. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter captain said they were flying a b- 737-200. There were 4 airplanes waiting to takeoff on the runway planned for and no one waiting to takeoff on runway 28, 6015 ft long. So on taxi out, got clearance to runway 28. The performance was discussed but no one actually took the time to look the performance up. The first 2/3 of the runway is uphill and the last 1/3 is downhill. By the time they were over the hump to see how little runway they had left, they were at 100 KTS and a successful abort at that time would have been questionable. That's when the crew knew something was wrong. En route, getting into reviewing the computations, the crew discovered they were over gross for performance limitation on that runway at the given temperature by 9000 pounds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC TOOK OFF OVER GROSS FOR THE PERFORMANCE CAPABILITY OF THE ACFT ON RWY USED.
Narrative: RUNNING BEHIND SCHEDULE, USED RWY 28 FOR DEP. FO DID NOT FIGURE WTS FOR THAT RWY PRIOR TO DEP. TAXI WAS QUICK. HE ASSUMED WE WERE OK FOR THE RWY AT FULL PWR. USED FLAPS 1 DEG, OVER RWY LIMIT BY 9500 LBS. ROTATED LAST 1000 FT OF RWY BAD COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT ON MY PART, MADE THE FO FEEL PRESSURED TO HURRY TO MAKE UP TIME. SHOULD HAVE REALIZED WE WERE HVY FOR THAT RWY BAD SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR CAPT SAID THEY WERE FLYING A B- 737-200. THERE WERE 4 AIRPLANES WAITING TO TKOF ON THE RWY PLANNED FOR AND NO ONE WAITING TO TKOF ON RWY 28, 6015 FT LONG. SO ON TAXI OUT, GOT CLRNC TO RWY 28. THE PERFORMANCE WAS DISCUSSED BUT NO ONE ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK THE PERFORMANCE UP. THE FIRST 2/3 OF THE RWY IS UPHILL AND THE LAST 1/3 IS DOWNHILL. BY THE TIME THEY WERE OVER THE HUMP TO SEE HOW LITTLE RWY THEY HAD LEFT, THEY WERE AT 100 KTS AND A SUCCESSFUL ABORT AT THAT TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTIONABLE. THAT'S WHEN THE CREW KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG. ENRTE, GETTING INTO REVIEWING THE COMPUTATIONS, THE CREW DISCOVERED THEY WERE OVER GROSS FOR PERFORMANCE LIMITATION ON THAT RWY AT THE GIVEN TEMP BY 9000 LBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.