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Attributes | |
ACN | 308240 |
Time | |
Date | 199506 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : btg |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : pdx |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 308246 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 308225 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X flying the arrival to pdx, X drifted approximately 1/2 - 1 mi east of centerline on airway. Following company 737, observed 2 aircraft on TCASII as we descended out of 12000 ft and 10000 ft. Controller turned us to 310 degrees to get us directly behind company aircraft. First officer observed objects above us descending and stated stop turn. Turn was stopped and 4 sky-divers descended through our altitude approximately 1/2 mi off left side. Jump plane protested our turning toward him and controller complained we weren't on course even though only 1/2 mi east. When we observed jumpers we were on centerline of arrival. Discussions with approach control revealed that this was legal and problems occur often. No warning of jumpers or aircraft was given by approach. Jump plane never stated that jumpers were away. Obvious poor coordination between jump plane and approach. Information should be on arrival approach plate and pdx ATIS. No turns should be issued by approach without coordinating with jump plane as sky divers set the interval and inbound arrs should be notified of any jumps occurring above 10000 ft. Supplemental information from acn 308225: on the arrival into pdx (moxie 3) we were turned to a heading of 310 degrees to vector us into pdx. As we turned we noticed 4 skydivers at our 11:30 O'clock about 1000 ft above us. We stopped the turn and they passed off our left wing within 1/2 mi distance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X CONFLICT WITH PARACHUTIST EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN.
Narrative: ACR X FLYING THE ARR TO PDX, X DRIFTED APPROX 1/2 - 1 MI E OF CTRLINE ON AIRWAY. FOLLOWING COMPANY 737, OBSERVED 2 ACFT ON TCASII AS WE DSNDED OUT OF 12000 FT AND 10000 FT. CTLR TURNED US TO 310 DEGS TO GET US DIRECTLY BEHIND COMPANY ACFT. FO OBSERVED OBJECTS ABOVE US DSNDING AND STATED STOP TURN. TURN WAS STOPPED AND 4 SKY-DIVERS DSNDED THROUGH OUR ALT APPROX 1/2 MI OFF L SIDE. JUMP PLANE PROTESTED OUR TURNING TOWARD HIM AND CTLR COMPLAINED WE WEREN'T ON COURSE EVEN THOUGH ONLY 1/2 MI E. WHEN WE OBSERVED JUMPERS WE WERE ON CTRLINE OF ARR. DISCUSSIONS WITH APCH CTL REVEALED THAT THIS WAS LEGAL AND PROBS OCCUR OFTEN. NO WARNING OF JUMPERS OR ACFT WAS GIVEN BY APCH. JUMP PLANE NEVER STATED THAT JUMPERS WERE AWAY. OBVIOUS POOR COORD BTWN JUMP PLANE AND APCH. INFO SHOULD BE ON ARR APCH PLATE AND PDX ATIS. NO TURNS SHOULD BE ISSUED BY APCH WITHOUT COORDINATING WITH JUMP PLANE AS SKY DIVERS SET THE INTERVAL AND INBOUND ARRS SHOULD BE NOTIFIED OF ANY JUMPS OCCURRING ABOVE 10000 FT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 308225: ON THE ARR INTO PDX (MOXIE 3) WE WERE TURNED TO A HDG OF 310 DEGS TO VECTOR US INTO PDX. AS WE TURNED WE NOTICED 4 SKYDIVERS AT OUR 11:30 O'CLOCK ABOUT 1000 FT ABOVE US. WE STOPPED THE TURN AND THEY PASSED OFF OUR L WING WITHIN 1/2 MI DISTANCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.