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Attributes | |
ACN | 309510 |
Time | |
Date | 199507 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4700 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 7500 |
ASRS Report | 309510 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were given a turn from downwind to crosswind and descend from 7000 ft to 5000 ft, then were instructed to intercept runway 21L localizer. During this process approach control was extremely busy and I thought we were also cleared for the approach. However the copilot and I realized after I descended through 5000 ft to 4700 ft that we were only cleared to intercept the localizer. Also I was above the GS at 5000 ft, and logically it made sense to intercept the GS also. I climbed back to 5000 ft and almost simultaneously was given approach clearance, and proceeded out of 5000 ft to capture GS. As always, dtw approach control was extremely busy, at times so busy you don't have time to respond to instructions before the controller is giving instructions to another aircraft, which causes confusion especially when you can't read back the instructions or question them. Less aircraft working with a controller, possibly make a double final controller say at 15-25 mi, then one at 8-15 mi to reduce the number of aircraft on a particular frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV. INTERCEPTING LOC ABOVE GS DSNDED PREMATURELY.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A TURN FROM DOWNWIND TO XWIND AND DSND FROM 7000 FT TO 5000 FT, THEN WERE INSTRUCTED TO INTERCEPT RWY 21L LOC. DURING THIS PROCESS APCH CTL WAS EXTREMELY BUSY AND I THOUGHT WE WERE ALSO CLRED FOR THE APCH. HOWEVER THE COPLT AND I REALIZED AFTER I DSNDED THROUGH 5000 FT TO 4700 FT THAT WE WERE ONLY CLRED TO INTERCEPT THE LOC. ALSO I WAS ABOVE THE GS AT 5000 FT, AND LOGICALLY IT MADE SENSE TO INTERCEPT THE GS ALSO. I CLBED BACK TO 5000 FT AND ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY WAS GIVEN APCH CLRNC, AND PROCEEDED OUT OF 5000 FT TO CAPTURE GS. AS ALWAYS, DTW APCH CTL WAS EXTREMELY BUSY, AT TIMES SO BUSY YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE THE CTLR IS GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO ANOTHER ACFT, WHICH CAUSES CONFUSION ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAN'T READ BACK THE INSTRUCTIONS OR QUESTION THEM. LESS ACFT WORKING WITH A CTLR, POSSIBLY MAKE A DOUBLE FINAL CTLR SAY AT 15-25 MI, THEN ONE AT 8-15 MI TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ACFT ON A PARTICULAR FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.