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Attributes | |
ACN | 309623 |
Time | |
Date | 199507 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rkd |
State Reference | ME |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Other |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight landing other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 309623 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At show appearances, our museum often gives rides to vip's and news media people, and notifies pilots of this by checking the appropriate box on the show's 'poop sheet.' in this case, we found out later that the museum which sponsored the show had 'neglected to mention' to our museum that some of the seats had been effectively sold for cash. Since the airplane, a boeing B-17, is certified in limited category, the host museum should have known that this is prohibited (they, too, operate all manner of airplanes). The passenger assumed that they had the safety of a fully certified plane -- far from true! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: there were 2 museums involved. One owned the aircraft, the other museum was the sponsor of the air show/display. The purpose was to raise money for museum #2. Reporter stated that someone within that #2 organization became over zealous and sold an unknown number of seats for $300 each. Normally the seats were assigned 'free' to press and other vip's on special occasions as a 'courtesy.' the aircraft is operated under far part 91. The B-17 is a limited category aircraft. When or if (not ever planned on doing) 'paying' passenger would be on board, the part 91 operation would have been nullified or altered within the airworthiness standards, not for what the organization can do but what the aircraft can do. Reporter said that their museum group was very unhappy with museum 2 group and did explain that the sale of seats affected and compromised the validity of the aircraft's insurance clauses. He said that the 'sellers' should have known better and that procedures have been put in place to prevent this from happening again. They are also going to reduce the number of times that these 'free' rides are offered. (Always someone to muck things up...)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPECIAL INTEREST ACTIVITY AIRSHOW. B-17 RIDES WERE THOUGHT TO BE FREE, NOT AFFECTING THE ACFT'S AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS. SOME SEATS WERE SOLD, AFFECTING THE OPERATING PARAMETERS UNDER FAR PART 91.
Narrative: AT SHOW APPEARANCES, OUR MUSEUM OFTEN GIVES RIDES TO VIP'S AND NEWS MEDIA PEOPLE, AND NOTIFIES PLTS OF THIS BY CHKING THE APPROPRIATE BOX ON THE SHOW'S 'POOP SHEET.' IN THIS CASE, WE FOUND OUT LATER THAT THE MUSEUM WHICH SPONSORED THE SHOW HAD 'NEGLECTED TO MENTION' TO OUR MUSEUM THAT SOME OF THE SEATS HAD BEEN EFFECTIVELY SOLD FOR CASH. SINCE THE AIRPLANE, A BOEING B-17, IS CERTIFIED IN LIMITED CATEGORY, THE HOST MUSEUM SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS IS PROHIBITED (THEY, TOO, OPERATE ALL MANNER OF AIRPLANES). THE PAX ASSUMED THAT THEY HAD THE SAFETY OF A FULLY CERTIFIED PLANE -- FAR FROM TRUE! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THERE WERE 2 MUSEUMS INVOLVED. ONE OWNED THE ACFT, THE OTHER MUSEUM WAS THE SPONSOR OF THE AIR SHOW/DISPLAY. THE PURPOSE WAS TO RAISE MONEY FOR MUSEUM #2. RPTR STATED THAT SOMEONE WITHIN THAT #2 ORGANIZATION BECAME OVER ZEALOUS AND SOLD AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF SEATS FOR $300 EACH. NORMALLY THE SEATS WERE ASSIGNED 'FREE' TO PRESS AND OTHER VIP'S ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS AS A 'COURTESY.' THE ACFT IS OPERATED UNDER FAR PART 91. THE B-17 IS A LIMITED CATEGORY ACFT. WHEN OR IF (NOT EVER PLANNED ON DOING) 'PAYING' PAX WOULD BE ON BOARD, THE PART 91 OP WOULD HAVE BEEN NULLIFIED OR ALTERED WITHIN THE AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS, NOT FOR WHAT THE ORGANIZATION CAN DO BUT WHAT THE ACFT CAN DO. RPTR SAID THAT THEIR MUSEUM GROUP WAS VERY UNHAPPY WITH MUSEUM 2 GROUP AND DID EXPLAIN THAT THE SALE OF SEATS AFFECTED AND COMPROMISED THE VALIDITY OF THE ACFT'S INSURANCE CLAUSES. HE SAID THAT THE 'SELLERS' SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER AND THAT PROCS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THESE 'FREE' RIDES ARE OFFERED. (ALWAYS SOMEONE TO MUCK THINGS UP...)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.