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Attributes | |
ACN | 310780 |
Time | |
Date | 199507 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : irra airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2333 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 310780 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Operating as an air carrier flight from lch to dfw at XA30 on jul/tue/95. We were approaching dfw established on the localizer for runway 31R. At 3000 ft, 10 mi (approximately) out, we reported the field in sight. The controller said 'maintain 3000 ft until the marker, cleared for visual approach runway 31R, visual traffic going into love field.' at 3000 ft when intercepting the GS, the captain began his descent (vande intersection 7.5 DME dfw). The OM is actually at 5.7 DME divvr intersection. As the captain began his descent, I pointed out that we were not to the marker yet. He said we were just about there and continued. We were close enough in visual conditions with the TCASII showing no aircraft near so I decided not to further press the issue. We landed at dfw without incident. We both had done the approach so many times that we did not have the approach plates on the page for the approach for quick reference. Especially since it was good VFR conditions. I believe if we would have had them out, a quick reference would have avoided the situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT XING RESTR. ACR WAS INSTRUCTED TO CROSS THE FINAL APCH FIX AT 3000 FT. INSTEAD THE CAPT INTERCEPTS THE GS AND CROSSES THE FAF ABOUT 700 FT LOWER.
Narrative: OPERATING AS AN ACR FLT FROM LCH TO DFW AT XA30 ON JUL/TUE/95. WE WERE APCHING DFW ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC FOR RWY 31R. AT 3000 FT, 10 MI (APPROX) OUT, WE RPTED THE FIELD IN SIGHT. THE CTLR SAID 'MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL THE MARKER, CLRED FOR VISUAL APCH RWY 31R, VISUAL TFC GOING INTO LOVE FIELD.' AT 3000 FT WHEN INTERCEPTING THE GS, THE CAPT BEGAN HIS DSCNT (VANDE INTXN 7.5 DME DFW). THE OM IS ACTUALLY AT 5.7 DME DIVVR INTXN. AS THE CAPT BEGAN HIS DSCNT, I POINTED OUT THAT WE WERE NOT TO THE MARKER YET. HE SAID WE WERE JUST ABOUT THERE AND CONTINUED. WE WERE CLOSE ENOUGH IN VISUAL CONDITIONS WITH THE TCASII SHOWING NO ACFT NEAR SO I DECIDED NOT TO FURTHER PRESS THE ISSUE. WE LANDED AT DFW WITHOUT INCIDENT. WE BOTH HAD DONE THE APCH SO MANY TIMES THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE APCH PLATES ON THE PAGE FOR THE APCH FOR QUICK REF. ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS GOOD VFR CONDITIONS. I BELIEVE IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD THEM OUT, A QUICK REF WOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.