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Attributes | |
ACN | 312389 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fca |
State Reference | MT |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13100 flight time type : 9500 |
ASRS Report | 312389 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
The ground crew pushed us out of the gate onto the ramp and positioned us such that we had to make a turn of about 235 degrees to enter the taxiway. Because of limited space, heavy weight, soft surface, it took 45 percent N1 on both engines to keep the aircraft rolling through the turn. 45 percent N1 is our maximum maneuvering power when taxiing, and with the nearest aircraft and structures about 150 yds away, I thought I had no problem. But the crew of another jet (boeing 757) commented that we gave them a good 'blow job,' so apparently I was wrong. I am attempting to get the company to have the push back crews at fca to position the outbound aircraft on the taxiway centerline in the direction of intended travel, but I am not optimistic because, 1) the crews are not company employees and 2) ramp space is quite limited. Our current company policy concerning taxi/breakaway thrust is already under review with other aircraft types, I will also try to have our dc-9's included in that review. In the meantime, knowing the trap exists, I will make certain I don't fall into it again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR BLOWS ADJACENT PARKED ACFT ATTEMPTING TO MANEUVER OUT OF THE RAMP AREA.
Narrative: THE GND CREW PUSHED US OUT OF THE GATE ONTO THE RAMP AND POSITIONED US SUCH THAT WE HAD TO MAKE A TURN OF ABOUT 235 DEGS TO ENTER THE TXWY. BECAUSE OF LIMITED SPACE, HVY WT, SOFT SURFACE, IT TOOK 45 PERCENT N1 ON BOTH ENGS TO KEEP THE ACFT ROLLING THROUGH THE TURN. 45 PERCENT N1 IS OUR MAX MANEUVERING PWR WHEN TAXIING, AND WITH THE NEAREST ACFT AND STRUCTURES ABOUT 150 YDS AWAY, I THOUGHT I HAD NO PROB. BUT THE CREW OF ANOTHER JET (BOEING 757) COMMENTED THAT WE GAVE THEM A GOOD 'BLOW JOB,' SO APPARENTLY I WAS WRONG. I AM ATTEMPTING TO GET THE COMPANY TO HAVE THE PUSH BACK CREWS AT FCA TO POS THE OUTBOUND ACFT ON THE TXWY CTRLINE IN THE DIRECTION OF INTENDED TRAVEL, BUT I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE, 1) THE CREWS ARE NOT COMPANY EMPLOYEES AND 2) RAMP SPACE IS QUITE LIMITED. OUR CURRENT COMPANY POLICY CONCERNING TAXI/BREAKAWAY THRUST IS ALREADY UNDER REVIEW WITH OTHER ACFT TYPES, I WILL ALSO TRY TO HAVE OUR DC-9'S INCLUDED IN THAT REVIEW. IN THE MEANTIME, KNOWING THE TRAP EXISTS, I WILL MAKE CERTAIN I DON'T FALL INTO IT AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.