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Attributes | |
ACN | 313800 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ptw |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Twin Otter DHC-6 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 313800 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 750 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ATIS advised parachute jumping in effect north of ptw 13500 ft and below. Captain and I briefly discussed this item. Our route of flight was direct ptw, ptw 320 degree radial to J64, rav. After being turned over to ZNY just northwest of ptw and out of 10000 ft MSL, we were cleared to 17000 ft MSL. Heard a call sign on frequency say 30 seconds to jump, or something to that effect. About that time I visually acquired a target at 12 O'clock at our altitude. We were climbing 2000 FPM. Almost simultaneously we got a TCASII TA which showed 12 O'clock traffic at about 3 mi and 100 ft above us and climbing. When the display showed us passing through his altitude (we were at about 13000 ft now), we got a 'descend now' RA. I had the target visually and this looked like a very bad choice (to descend now). The captain commanded a descent. I reached to click off the autoplt and the TCASII commanded 'climb now.' I estimate all of this occurred in less than 5 seconds. (5 seconds from initial RA, to captain command, to second, different RA.) by now I was manually controling the airplane and we climbed well clear of the target at approximately 4000 FPM. We reported RA to center. No ATC clrncs were violated. Based on my visual references, this was not a real serious conflict. I had visual contact at all times and saw no possibility of collision. However, the TCASII really scared me. Based on my experience with this airplane (A320), compliance with the initial RA would have required at least 500 vertical ft to get turned around. This would have really put us in close proximity to the target (which, by the way, appeared to be the jump airplane, a twin otter). Furthermore, if the jumpers had gone out as we went by underneath, this would be a much different report. 'Climb, crossing climb' would have been a more appropriate initial RA. Question: why was the jump airplane on (right on) a standard turbojet phl departure route? Question: why didn't we get an advisory from ATC? (At least I don't think we did. He was working both of us). Question: why did it take me so long to react? 5 seconds seems an eternity in that situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT BTWN CLBING TFC, AN A320 AND A TWIN OTTER ALLEGEDLY ENGAGING IN PARACHUTE JUMPING ACTIVITY.
Narrative: ATIS ADVISED PARACHUTE JUMPING IN EFFECT N OF PTW 13500 FT AND BELOW. CAPT AND I BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. OUR RTE OF FLT WAS DIRECT PTW, PTW 320 DEG RADIAL TO J64, RAV. AFTER BEING TURNED OVER TO ZNY JUST NW OF PTW AND OUT OF 10000 FT MSL, WE WERE CLRED TO 17000 FT MSL. HEARD A CALL SIGN ON FREQ SAY 30 SECONDS TO JUMP, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. ABOUT THAT TIME I VISUALLY ACQUIRED A TARGET AT 12 O'CLOCK AT OUR ALT. WE WERE CLBING 2000 FPM. ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY WE GOT A TCASII TA WHICH SHOWED 12 O'CLOCK TFC AT ABOUT 3 MI AND 100 FT ABOVE US AND CLBING. WHEN THE DISPLAY SHOWED US PASSING THROUGH HIS ALT (WE WERE AT ABOUT 13000 FT NOW), WE GOT A 'DSND NOW' RA. I HAD THE TARGET VISUALLY AND THIS LOOKED LIKE A VERY BAD CHOICE (TO DSND NOW). THE CAPT COMMANDED A DSCNT. I REACHED TO CLICK OFF THE AUTOPLT AND THE TCASII COMMANDED 'CLB NOW.' I ESTIMATE ALL OF THIS OCCURRED IN LESS THAN 5 SECONDS. (5 SECONDS FROM INITIAL RA, TO CAPT COMMAND, TO SECOND, DIFFERENT RA.) BY NOW I WAS MANUALLY CTLING THE AIRPLANE AND WE CLBED WELL CLR OF THE TARGET AT APPROX 4000 FPM. WE RPTED RA TO CTR. NO ATC CLRNCS WERE VIOLATED. BASED ON MY VISUAL REFS, THIS WAS NOT A REAL SERIOUS CONFLICT. I HAD VISUAL CONTACT AT ALL TIMES AND SAW NO POSSIBILITY OF COLLISION. HOWEVER, THE TCASII REALLY SCARED ME. BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AIRPLANE (A320), COMPLIANCE WITH THE INITIAL RA WOULD HAVE REQUIRED AT LEAST 500 VERT FT TO GET TURNED AROUND. THIS WOULD HAVE REALLY PUT US IN CLOSE PROX TO THE TARGET (WHICH, BY THE WAY, APPEARED TO BE THE JUMP AIRPLANE, A TWIN OTTER). FURTHERMORE, IF THE JUMPERS HAD GONE OUT AS WE WENT BY UNDERNEATH, THIS WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT RPT. 'CLB, XING CLB' WOULD HAVE BEEN A MORE APPROPRIATE INITIAL RA. QUESTION: WHY WAS THE JUMP AIRPLANE ON (RIGHT ON) A STANDARD TURBOJET PHL DEP RTE? QUESTION: WHY DIDN'T WE GET AN ADVISORY FROM ATC? (AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE DID. HE WAS WORKING BOTH OF US). QUESTION: WHY DID IT TAKE ME SO LONG TO REACT? 5 SECONDS SEEMS AN ETERNITY IN THAT SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.