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Attributes | |
ACN | 314416 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ags |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 780 msl bound upper : 1145 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ags tower : ags |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 314416 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 314051 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Both pilots set the wrong MDA bug for NDB 17 circle to land runway 8. Commercial chart MDA CAT was for 780 ft which we set and briefed for the approach. The correct setting was around 1200 ft MSL (1000 ft plus field elevation). This is due to our airline not training for circling approachs. We must do them as a visual approach. Due to the rarity of actual use, both pilots made the same mistake. In this case, it was not a factor as the circle was initiated in VMC conditions at 1500 ft AGL. Here is a case of being right by the book, but wrong by the regulations!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MISREAD PUB CHART. THIS ACR IS RESTR TO VFR MINIMUMS FOR CIRCLING APCHS, BUT THE FLC SET AND BRIEFED CAT D MINIMUMS.
Narrative: BOTH PLTS SET THE WRONG MDA BUG FOR NDB 17 CIRCLE TO LAND RWY 8. COMMERCIAL CHART MDA CAT WAS FOR 780 FT WHICH WE SET AND BRIEFED FOR THE APCH. THE CORRECT SETTING WAS AROUND 1200 FT MSL (1000 FT PLUS FIELD ELEVATION). THIS IS DUE TO OUR AIRLINE NOT TRAINING FOR CIRCLING APCHS. WE MUST DO THEM AS A VISUAL APCH. DUE TO THE RARITY OF ACTUAL USE, BOTH PLTS MADE THE SAME MISTAKE. IN THIS CASE, IT WAS NOT A FACTOR AS THE CIRCLE WAS INITIATED IN VMC CONDITIONS AT 1500 FT AGL. HERE IS A CASE OF BEING RIGHT BY THE BOOK, BUT WRONG BY THE REGS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.