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Attributes | |
ACN | 314530 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jvl |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 314530 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying from msp to ord we had our original clearance changed a couple of times. Subsequently, we were cleared direct msn, direct jvl, jvl 4 arrival ord. At FL240 and approaching msn VOR, I was looking at the STAR and airport diagram for ord. I passed over msn VOR and the first officer reminded me to turn direct jvl. He said he had the jvl frequency on his radio so I dialed that same frequency in mine. We had previously been issued a crossing restr of 15 mi from jvl at 10000 ft. The frequency the first officer gave me was wrong. ZAU asked us if we were going to make our crossing restr. The first officer immediately recognized the error, switched both radios to the proper frequency, the DME showing us approximately 7-8 mi from jvl at FL240. He replied we would not make our crossing restr while I started the descent. ZAU reclred us to maintain 10000 ft and asked for a good rate of descent. I descended to 10000 ft as quickly as possible. ZAU thanked us for the good job getting down to 10000 ft and we continued on the STAR vectors to ord. I almost never accept a frequency, radial, etc, from my first officer without doublechking myself. This is a prime example of the consequences. The air traffic controller did a great job catching the error and reclring us to avoid a possible violation. No matter how experienced the pilot you are flying with is, we can all make mistakes. Always xchk yourself. Thanks to the controller, the system worked.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC TUNED WRONG NAVAID AND FAILED TO MEET XING RESTR CLRNC. CTLR INTERVENED.
Narrative: FLYING FROM MSP TO ORD WE HAD OUR ORIGINAL CLRNC CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES. SUBSEQUENTLY, WE WERE CLRED DIRECT MSN, DIRECT JVL, JVL 4 ARR ORD. AT FL240 AND APCHING MSN VOR, I WAS LOOKING AT THE STAR AND ARPT DIAGRAM FOR ORD. I PASSED OVER MSN VOR AND THE FO REMINDED ME TO TURN DIRECT JVL. HE SAID HE HAD THE JVL FREQ ON HIS RADIO SO I DIALED THAT SAME FREQ IN MINE. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ISSUED A XING RESTR OF 15 MI FROM JVL AT 10000 FT. THE FREQ THE FO GAVE ME WAS WRONG. ZAU ASKED US IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE OUR XING RESTR. THE FO IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED THE ERROR, SWITCHED BOTH RADIOS TO THE PROPER FREQ, THE DME SHOWING US APPROX 7-8 MI FROM JVL AT FL240. HE REPLIED WE WOULD NOT MAKE OUR XING RESTR WHILE I STARTED THE DSCNT. ZAU RECLRED US TO MAINTAIN 10000 FT AND ASKED FOR A GOOD RATE OF DSCNT. I DSNDED TO 10000 FT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. ZAU THANKED US FOR THE GOOD JOB GETTING DOWN TO 10000 FT AND WE CONTINUED ON THE STAR VECTORS TO ORD. I ALMOST NEVER ACCEPT A FREQ, RADIAL, ETC, FROM MY FO WITHOUT DOUBLECHKING MYSELF. THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE CONSEQUENCES. THE AIR TFC CTLR DID A GREAT JOB CATCHING THE ERROR AND RECLRING US TO AVOID A POSSIBLE VIOLATION. NO MATTER HOW EXPERIENCED THE PLT YOU ARE FLYING WITH IS, WE CAN ALL MAKE MISTAKES. ALWAYS XCHK YOURSELF. THANKS TO THE CTLR, THE SYS WORKED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.