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Attributes | |
ACN | 315170 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 315170 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 156 flight time total : 12200 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 315068 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While receiving vectors for a visual approach to runway 24R at lax, we misunderstood a clearance to 'maintain visual from that aircraft,' as a clearance for a visual approach. Subsequent vectors caused us to verify with controller that we were cleared for a visual approach. Controller told us we were not. At that point we had descended approximately 300 ft below our previously assigned altitude of 3000 ft. Frequency congestion and requirement to maintain visual contact with multiple aircraft (as directed by ATC) contributed. Supplemental information from acn 315068: lax is a very busy airport with lots of xmissions of pointing out traffic and clrncs for approachs. Maybe I misinterpreted a clearance for another aircraft being for us. Maybe approach's verbiage was misleading. Double-checking with first officer or ATC would have cleared up the confusion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV. MISCOM CLRNC ATC FLC.
Narrative: WHILE RECEIVING VECTORS FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX, WE MISUNDERSTOOD A CLRNC TO 'MAINTAIN VISUAL FROM THAT ACFT,' AS A CLRNC FOR A VISUAL APCH. SUBSEQUENT VECTORS CAUSED US TO VERIFY WITH CTLR THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH. CTLR TOLD US WE WERE NOT. AT THAT POINT WE HAD DSNDED APPROX 300 FT BELOW OUR PREVIOUSLY ASSIGNED ALT OF 3000 FT. FREQ CONGESTION AND REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH MULTIPLE ACFT (AS DIRECTED BY ATC) CONTRIBUTED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 315068: LAX IS A VERY BUSY ARPT WITH LOTS OF XMISSIONS OF POINTING OUT TFC AND CLRNCS FOR APCHS. MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED A CLRNC FOR ANOTHER ACFT BEING FOR US. MAYBE APCH'S VERBIAGE WAS MISLEADING. DOUBLE-CHKING WITH FO OR ATC WOULD HAVE CLRED UP THE CONFUSION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.