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Attributes | |
ACN | 316720 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iah |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 316720 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 316863 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed gate received clearance for a standard taxi to runway 18L. Traffic was very light and we were at the departure runway 6 mins after breaks release. We accomplished all the items prior to receiving the load closeout. We switched to tower and received the position and hold clearance. I advised the captain that we did not have the load closeout. He believed that it would come shortly and proceeded to taxi on the runway. We were in position for several mins when the takeoff clearance came. I again advised the captain of the absences of the closeout information. The captain selected maximum power and began the takeoff roll. The takeoff was normal and the rest of the flight was uneventful. In the future I will be more insistent that we not accept a clearance onto the runway without a load closeout. Supplemental information from acn 316863: first officer stated that we had no load closeout. I felt that it would be there any second. A couple of mins later, the tower cleared us for takeoff. Again, the first officer stated that we had no load closeout. I analyzed the tps and surmised that with the aircraft weighing only 122000 pounds, even if the maximum of 18000 pounds had been added, that we were below any limiting weights. I chose maximum power and made the takeoff. The final load information had us at 119046 pounds. It was a safe operation and I stand by my decision, even though I realize that technically, I need that little piece of paper. The first officer never had an opportunity to call on the radio because of short time from out-off. I am submitting this report because the load controller said that she was going to write me up.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT PERFORMS TKOF WITHOUT COMPLETE WT MANIFEST.
Narrative: DEPARTED GATE RECEIVED CLRNC FOR A STANDARD TAXI TO RWY 18L. TFC WAS VERY LIGHT AND WE WERE AT THE DEP RWY 6 MINS AFTER BREAKS RELEASE. WE ACCOMPLISHED ALL THE ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE LOAD CLOSEOUT. WE SWITCHED TO TWR AND RECEIVED THE POS AND HOLD CLRNC. I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE LOAD CLOSEOUT. HE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD COME SHORTLY AND PROCEEDED TO TAXI ON THE RWY. WE WERE IN POS FOR SEVERAL MINS WHEN THE TKOF CLRNC CAME. I AGAIN ADVISED THE CAPT OF THE ABSENCES OF THE CLOSEOUT INFO. THE CAPT SELECTED MAX PWR AND BEGAN THE TKOF ROLL. THE TKOF WAS NORMAL AND THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. IN THE FUTURE I WILL BE MORE INSISTENT THAT WE NOT ACCEPT A CLRNC ONTO THE RWY WITHOUT A LOAD CLOSEOUT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 316863: FO STATED THAT WE HAD NO LOAD CLOSEOUT. I FELT THAT IT WOULD BE THERE ANY SECOND. A COUPLE OF MINS LATER, THE TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF. AGAIN, THE FO STATED THAT WE HAD NO LOAD CLOSEOUT. I ANALYZED THE TPS AND SURMISED THAT WITH THE ACFT WEIGHING ONLY 122000 LBS, EVEN IF THE MAX OF 18000 LBS HAD BEEN ADDED, THAT WE WERE BELOW ANY LIMITING WTS. I CHOSE MAX PWR AND MADE THE TKOF. THE FINAL LOAD INFO HAD US AT 119046 LBS. IT WAS A SAFE OP AND I STAND BY MY DECISION, EVEN THOUGH I REALIZE THAT TECHNICALLY, I NEED THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER. THE FO NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL ON THE RADIO BECAUSE OF SHORT TIME FROM OUT-OFF. I AM SUBMITTING THIS RPT BECAUSE THE LOAD CTLR SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO WRITE ME UP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.