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Attributes | |
ACN | 317000 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 26400 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 317000 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While flying the bunker arrival into msp, our clearance was to cross cedar at or below 10000 ft and to maintain 9000 ft. During descent our DME dropped its lock then stabilized again. I could see we were going to be close at cedar and advised msp that cedar was going to be tight. His reply was something like, 'well, I have no choice, I show you past cedar. Contact approach.' we were not at cedar yet and did, in fact, make the crossing restr altitude. No further conversation was available.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC AND FLC DISAGREED REGARDING XING RESTR COMPLIANCE.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING THE BUNKER ARR INTO MSP, OUR CLRNC WAS TO CROSS CEDAR AT OR BELOW 10000 FT AND TO MAINTAIN 9000 FT. DURING DSCNT OUR DME DROPPED ITS LOCK THEN STABILIZED AGAIN. I COULD SEE WE WERE GOING TO BE CLOSE AT CEDAR AND ADVISED MSP THAT CEDAR WAS GOING TO BE TIGHT. HIS REPLY WAS SOMETHING LIKE, 'WELL, I HAVE NO CHOICE, I SHOW YOU PAST CEDAR. CONTACT APCH.' WE WERE NOT AT CEDAR YET AND DID, IN FACT, MAKE THE XING RESTR ALT. NO FURTHER CONVERSATION WAS AVAILABLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.