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Commuter aircraft on vector heading goes through final approach and has conflict with air carrier for parallel runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 317024 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199509 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 317024 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 800 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
This occurred during the kimmo 1 arrival near purms intersection to runway 24R. We were cleared to 2500 and to follow an air carrier to runway 24R. We were slowing from 220 KTS to 180 KTS and on a 150 degree heading for the intercept. ATC asked if we saw the air carrier to follow. We said yes, but were still waiting a visual clearance. While we waited for the visual, the heading of 150 degrees took us through the runway 24 final and near the lax runway 25 finals. We saw an A320 (air carrier Y) on the runway 25R final and made a turn to re-intercept the runway 24R localizer. ATC said his vector would probably take us through final and to turn right to re-intercept. The closest we came to air carrier Y was 800 ft below and 1/2 mi north of him. At no time were we underneath him. I would not consider this a near miss. After landing we heard air carrier Y talking to ground and wanting the number of socal to make a report. Our company received a call from socal and asked the captain to call. We did and socal said that the conflict was due to a bad vector on the part of themselves. They said they would re-contact us if need be, but we have heard nothing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER ACFT ON VECTOR HDG GOES THROUGH FINAL APCH AND HAS CONFLICT WITH ACR FOR PARALLEL RWY.
Narrative: THIS OCCURRED DURING THE KIMMO 1 ARR NEAR PURMS INTXN TO RWY 24R. WE WERE CLRED TO 2500 AND TO FOLLOW AN ACR TO RWY 24R. WE WERE SLOWING FROM 220 KTS TO 180 KTS AND ON A 150 DEG HDG FOR THE INTERCEPT. ATC ASKED IF WE SAW THE ACR TO FOLLOW. WE SAID YES, BUT WERE STILL WAITING A VISUAL CLRNC. WHILE WE WAITED FOR THE VISUAL, THE HDG OF 150 DEGS TOOK US THROUGH THE RWY 24 FINAL AND NEAR THE LAX RWY 25 FINALS. WE SAW AN A320 (ACR Y) ON THE RWY 25R FINAL AND MADE A TURN TO RE-INTERCEPT THE RWY 24R LOC. ATC SAID HIS VECTOR WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US THROUGH FINAL AND TO TURN R TO RE-INTERCEPT. THE CLOSEST WE CAME TO ACR Y WAS 800 FT BELOW AND 1/2 MI N OF HIM. AT NO TIME WERE WE UNDERNEATH HIM. I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THIS A NEAR MISS. AFTER LNDG WE HEARD ACR Y TALKING TO GND AND WANTING THE NUMBER OF SOCAL TO MAKE A RPT. OUR COMPANY RECEIVED A CALL FROM SOCAL AND ASKED THE CAPT TO CALL. WE DID AND SOCAL SAID THAT THE CONFLICT WAS DUE TO A BAD VECTOR ON THE PART OF THEMSELVES. THEY SAID THEY WOULD RE-CONTACT US IF NEED BE, BUT WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.