37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 317075 |
Time | |
Date | 199509 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : vir |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 27000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : sllp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 317075 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 317076 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 600 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ATC cleared us from FL330 to FL270. At about sinor intersection and just about to level at FL270, we encountered a wbound B727 and received an RA to descend. We descended to about FL263 and advised ATC of deviation at which time they asked some questions of another flight in spanish, then cleared us to FL250. We saw the traffic go by approximately 200 yds to our right and 500-600 ft above us. Traffic appeared to be descending. We were talking to lpb control on 128.2. Coincidently, approximately 5 mins prior to that incident, when we were cleared to FL270 we noticed traffic 3000 ft below on TCASII in a nonradar environment. I felt it was poor procedure to clear us through his altitude. Supplemental information from acn 317076: we were given the RA to descend. We immediately did, and also called ATC. ATC seemed to not understand what we told them. They then cleared us to FL250 without further incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR TOOK EVASIVE ACTION DSCNT IN RESPONSE TO TCASII COMMAND IN FOREIGN AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ATC CLRED US FROM FL330 TO FL270. AT ABOUT SINOR INTXN AND JUST ABOUT TO LEVEL AT FL270, WE ENCOUNTERED A WBOUND B727 AND RECEIVED AN RA TO DSND. WE DSNDED TO ABOUT FL263 AND ADVISED ATC OF DEV AT WHICH TIME THEY ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF ANOTHER FLT IN SPANISH, THEN CLRED US TO FL250. WE SAW THE TFC GO BY APPROX 200 YDS TO OUR R AND 500-600 FT ABOVE US. TFC APPEARED TO BE DSNDING. WE WERE TALKING TO LPB CTL ON 128.2. COINCIDENTLY, APPROX 5 MINS PRIOR TO THAT INCIDENT, WHEN WE WERE CLRED TO FL270 WE NOTICED TFC 3000 FT BELOW ON TCASII IN A NONRADAR ENVIRONMENT. I FELT IT WAS POOR PROC TO CLR US THROUGH HIS ALT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 317076: WE WERE GIVEN THE RA TO DSND. WE IMMEDIATELY DID, AND ALSO CALLED ATC. ATC SEEMED TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE TOLD THEM. THEY THEN CLRED US TO FL250 WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.