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Attributes | |
ACN | 317363 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : orf |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : orf |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Twin Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 |
ASRS Report | 317363 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 800 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Shortly after departure from orf, en route ewr, ATC issued a rapid series of turns and climb clrncs, and modified the clrncs to higher altitude. As our aircraft was climbing (on a best rate through 8000 ft clearance) at 7300 ft our TCASII said 'monitor vertical speed.' our airspeed was 220 KTS, only 10 KTS above the clean maneuvering minimum speed in order to comply with ATC's request for 'best rate.' the TCASII warning at 7500 ft (RA) was 'climb, climb,' TCASII called for 2500-3000 FPM climb rate. The closure rate on a twin cessna was very rapid. Considering our reduced airspeed, and consequent inability to climb rapidly, I countermanded the TCASII RA and ordered the first officer to descend. Just as he got the 800-1200 FPM climb rate stopped, I saw the approaching aircraft, and told him he could resume the climb as the approaching aircraft was right to left rapidly. I exercised captain's emergency authority/authorized to deviate from an ATC clearance (I stopped the climb for a few seconds, as the aircraft was too slow to comply with TCASII RA). It had not occurred to me before that TCASII could give a warning RA that the aircraft was not capable of complying with. I recommend that such RA's as these be evaluated for safety before compliance. It is possible to stall the aircraft while trying to comply with the lights on the ivsi. The TCASII RA is given with such an imperative command that I could easily see a serious accident resulting from an ill considered compliance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII RA COMMANDS ACFT TO CLB INTO STALL CONDITION.
Narrative: SHORTLY AFTER DEP FROM ORF, ENRTE EWR, ATC ISSUED A RAPID SERIES OF TURNS AND CLB CLRNCS, AND MODIFIED THE CLRNCS TO HIGHER ALT. AS OUR ACFT WAS CLBING (ON A BEST RATE THROUGH 8000 FT CLRNC) AT 7300 FT OUR TCASII SAID 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' OUR AIRSPD WAS 220 KTS, ONLY 10 KTS ABOVE THE CLEAN MANEUVERING MINIMUM SPD IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH ATC'S REQUEST FOR 'BEST RATE.' THE TCASII WARNING AT 7500 FT (RA) WAS 'CLB, CLB,' TCASII CALLED FOR 2500-3000 FPM CLB RATE. THE CLOSURE RATE ON A TWIN CESSNA WAS VERY RAPID. CONSIDERING OUR REDUCED AIRSPD, AND CONSEQUENT INABILITY TO CLB RAPIDLY, I COUNTERMANDED THE TCASII RA AND ORDERED THE FO TO DSND. JUST AS HE GOT THE 800-1200 FPM CLB RATE STOPPED, I SAW THE APCHING ACFT, AND TOLD HIM HE COULD RESUME THE CLB AS THE APCHING ACFT WAS R TO L RAPIDLY. I EXERCISED CAPT'S EMER AUTH TO DEVIATE FROM AN ATC CLRNC (I STOPPED THE CLB FOR A FEW SECONDS, AS THE ACFT WAS TOO SLOW TO COMPLY WITH TCASII RA). IT HAD NOT OCCURRED TO ME BEFORE THAT TCASII COULD GIVE A WARNING RA THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT CAPABLE OF COMPLYING WITH. I RECOMMEND THAT SUCH RA'S AS THESE BE EVALUATED FOR SAFETY BEFORE COMPLIANCE. IT IS POSSIBLE TO STALL THE ACFT WHILE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTS ON THE IVSI. THE TCASII RA IS GIVEN WITH SUCH AN IMPERATIVE COMMAND THAT I COULD EASILY SEE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT RESULTING FROM AN ILL CONSIDERED COMPLIANCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.