Parachute jumping possible violation far 105. Jumping through clouds.

Attributes
ACN	318689
Time
Date	199510
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : tvt
State Reference	OH
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	enroute : direct enroute airway : zob
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	other : other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	318689
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

During step descent into cleveland on V525 at 14000 ft MSL advised by ZOB (130.9) that a jump plane (sky divers) was 12:30 O'clock, 6 mi at 12000 ft MSL about 2 mins from jumpers away. Traffic later passed 3 O'clock, 2 1/2 mi on TCASII (12000 ft MSL). Observed solid cloud deck below. I questioned center on whether the jumpers were going to jump through the clouds. He said he couldn't answer that. I asked ATC for the full call sign of the jump plane. He said he had to ask supervisor if he could give out that information. At first jump plane used call sign xyz later XXXY. ATC never did give call sign out. Jump plane stated there was a hole under plane. We looked closely and there was none that a plane could go VFR 2000 ft horizontally from any cloud etc. Also it was an airway. Descending into cleveland tops were 6000 ft MSL base 4200 ft MSL. I don't think it's legal to jump through clouds and even if it was, it isn't safe. Somebody could be VFR 500 ft below clouds and hit a sky diver and everybody die. I don't think he could legally get VFR on top and the cloud deck extended at least 100 mi south and many mi north. I think ATC should use the full call sign and surely give it out when asked.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PARACHUTE JUMPING POSSIBLE VIOLATION FAR 105. JUMPING THROUGH CLOUDS.

Narrative: DURING STEP DSCNT INTO CLEVELAND ON V525 AT 14000 FT MSL ADVISED BY ZOB (130.9) THAT A JUMP PLANE (SKY DIVERS) WAS 12:30 O'CLOCK, 6 MI AT 12000 FT MSL ABOUT 2 MINS FROM JUMPERS AWAY. TFC LATER PASSED 3 O'CLOCK, 2 1/2 MI ON TCASII (12000 FT MSL). OBSERVED SOLID CLOUD DECK BELOW. I QUESTIONED CTR ON WHETHER THE JUMPERS WERE GOING TO JUMP THROUGH THE CLOUDS. HE SAID HE COULDN'T ANSWER THAT. I ASKED ATC FOR THE FULL CALL SIGN OF THE JUMP PLANE. HE SAID HE HAD TO ASK SUPVR IF HE COULD GIVE OUT THAT INFO. AT FIRST JUMP PLANE USED CALL SIGN XYZ LATER XXXY. ATC NEVER DID GIVE CALL SIGN OUT. JUMP PLANE STATED THERE WAS A HOLE UNDER PLANE. WE LOOKED CLOSELY AND THERE WAS NONE THAT A PLANE COULD GO VFR 2000 FT HORIZLY FROM ANY CLOUD ETC. ALSO IT WAS AN AIRWAY. DSNDING INTO CLEVELAND TOPS WERE 6000 FT MSL BASE 4200 FT MSL. I DON'T THINK IT'S LEGAL TO JUMP THROUGH CLOUDS AND EVEN IF IT WAS, IT ISN'T SAFE. SOMEBODY COULD BE VFR 500 FT BELOW CLOUDS AND HIT A SKY DIVER AND EVERYBODY DIE. I DON'T THINK HE COULD LEGALLY GET VFR ON TOP AND THE CLOUD DECK EXTENDED AT LEAST 100 MI S AND MANY MI N. I THINK ATC SHOULD USE THE FULL CALL SIGN AND SURELY GIVE IT OUT WHEN ASKED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.