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Attributes | |
ACN | 321330 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oma |
State Reference | NE |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oma |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 218 flight time total : 7556 flight time type : 1730 |
ASRS Report | 321330 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared to 'maintain 3000 ft until established' and cleared for the ILS approach. We were on an assigned heading to intercept the localizer. The captain visually acquired the runway prior to intercepting the localizer. (I believe RVR was 6000 ft or greater when starting the approach but deteriorated to approximately 3000 ft while on approach. The skies were basically clear but the field was partially obscured due to ground fog.) the captain then started to turn inbound towards the runway and also started to descend below 3000 ft prior to being established. I immediately told him (the captain) we were to maintain 3000 ft until established, but he said he had it (the runway) visually. While we were very close to joining the localizer, but not on it, I told him we must join the localizer. He then intercepted the localizer and completed the approach without further incident. Proper knowledge of instrument procedures is a must. In addition a descent should never be initiated until both crew members are satisfied it is both safe and legal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT COMMENCED DSCNT PRIOR TO INTERCEPTING LOC UNTIL CORRECTED BY FO.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO 'MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED' AND CLRED FOR THE ILS APCH. WE WERE ON AN ASSIGNED HEADING TO INTERCEPT THE LOC. THE CAPT VISUALLY ACQUIRED THE RWY PRIOR TO INTERCEPTING THE LOC. (I BELIEVE RVR WAS 6000 FT OR GREATER WHEN STARTING THE APCH BUT DETERIORATED TO APPROX 3000 FT WHILE ON APCH. THE SKIES WERE BASICALLY CLR BUT THE FIELD WAS PARTIALLY OBSCURED DUE TO GND FOG.) THE CAPT THEN STARTED TO TURN INBOUND TOWARDS THE RWY AND ALSO STARTED TO DSND BELOW 3000 FT PRIOR TO BEING ESTABLISHED. I IMMEDIATELY TOLD HIM (THE CAPT) WE WERE TO MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED, BUT HE SAID HE HAD IT (THE RWY) VISUALLY. WHILE WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO JOINING THE LOC, BUT NOT ON IT, I TOLD HIM WE MUST JOIN THE LOC. HE THEN INTERCEPTED THE LOC AND COMPLETED THE APCH WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. PROPER KNOWLEDGE OF INST PROCS IS A MUST. IN ADDITION A DSCNT SHOULD NEVER BE INITIATED UNTIL BOTH CREW MEMBERS ARE SATISFIED IT IS BOTH SAFE AND LEGAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.