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Attributes | |
ACN | 321688 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : slc |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zlc tracon : slc artcc : zmp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 321688 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Have you seen the slc jammn 1 arrival? I suggest that you take a look at it and visualize flying it using either the milford or bryce canyon transitions. From my point of view, the arrival is difficult enough to talk through, much more difficult to fly. It contains 5 separate crossing restrs in the space of 48 mi. When we flew the arrival, we spent way too much time inside the cockpit reading and interpreting the arrival. Whoever designed the arrival seemingly paid little attention to the pilot's task of aviating, navigating and communicating. I agree that slc needed the arrival, but I hope that it can be revisited and revised with an eye towards simplification before misunderstandings, violations, etc occur. A quick glance at the other new slc arrs show me that the jammn isn't the only complicated arrival there.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PUB DEFICIENCY -- THIS ACR FO DESCRIBES THE JAMMN 1 STAR INTO SLC AS BEING OVERLY COMPLICATED.
Narrative: HAVE YOU SEEN THE SLC JAMMN 1 ARR? I SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND VISUALIZE FLYING IT USING EITHER THE MILFORD OR BRYCE CANYON TRANSITIONS. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE ARR IS DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO TALK THROUGH, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FLY. IT CONTAINS 5 SEPARATE XING RESTRS IN THE SPACE OF 48 MI. WHEN WE FLEW THE ARR, WE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME INSIDE THE COCKPIT READING AND INTERPRETING THE ARR. WHOEVER DESIGNED THE ARR SEEMINGLY PAID LITTLE ATTN TO THE PLT'S TASK OF AVIATING, NAVING AND COMMUNICATING. I AGREE THAT SLC NEEDED THE ARR, BUT I HOPE THAT IT CAN BE REVISITED AND REVISED WITH AN EYE TOWARDS SIMPLIFICATION BEFORE MISUNDERSTANDINGS, VIOLATIONS, ETC OCCUR. A QUICK GLANCE AT THE OTHER NEW SLC ARRS SHOW ME THAT THE JAMMN ISN'T THE ONLY COMPLICATED ARR THERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.