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Attributes | |
ACN | 322330 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14500 msl bound upper : 15500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl tower : tus |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 322330 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 322332 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departed asheville airport, nc, VFR, WX clear, visibility 50 mi plus, no clouds, for atlanta dekalb-peachtree airport, VFR in a learjet 35A, 14500 ft MSL. Departed dekalb- peachtree airport, return trip to asheville, nc, VFR 15500 ft MSL, same day turn around. Arrived asheville, atlanta called raising hell about VFR flight. Other aircraft opposite direction IFR in VFR conditions with TCASII complaining about VFR flight which is a bunch of bullshit. VFR is VFR and IFR is IFR. This flight was conducted by strict rules and regulation by the book. There is only 500 ft separation between VFR and IFR, and we saw all aircraft coming and going. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states they depart pdk with the terminal chart in front of them and remained beneath the class B until outside the perimeter at which time they climbed up to altitude. Reporter's feeling is that ATC is not happy with an aircraft at high altitude and not talking to them. They were at a proper altitude for VFR flight. They never saw the other aircraft. This is a corporate aircraft and they make the same flight several times a week. This is a short flight and they do not file IFR due to added time involved. There has been no further word from the FAA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CORPORATE LTT RECEIVES COMPLAINT FROM TRACON REGARDING VFR FLT.
Narrative: DEPARTED ASHEVILLE ARPT, NC, VFR, WX CLR, VISIBILITY 50 MI PLUS, NO CLOUDS, FOR ATLANTA DEKALB-PEACHTREE ARPT, VFR IN A LEARJET 35A, 14500 FT MSL. DEPARTED DEKALB- PEACHTREE ARPT, RETURN TRIP TO ASHEVILLE, NC, VFR 15500 FT MSL, SAME DAY TURN AROUND. ARRIVED ASHEVILLE, ATLANTA CALLED RAISING HELL ABOUT VFR FLT. OTHER ACFT OPPOSITE DIRECTION IFR IN VFR CONDITIONS WITH TCASII COMPLAINING ABOUT VFR FLT WHICH IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT. VFR IS VFR AND IFR IS IFR. THIS FLT WAS CONDUCTED BY STRICT RULES AND REG BY THE BOOK. THERE IS ONLY 500 FT SEPARATION BTWN VFR AND IFR, AND WE SAW ALL ACFT COMING AND GOING. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THEY DEPART PDK WITH THE TERMINAL CHART IN FRONT OF THEM AND REMAINED BENEATH THE CLASS B UNTIL OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER AT WHICH TIME THEY CLBED UP TO ALT. RPTR'S FEELING IS THAT ATC IS NOT HAPPY WITH AN ACFT AT HIGH ALT AND NOT TALKING TO THEM. THEY WERE AT A PROPER ALT FOR VFR FLT. THEY NEVER SAW THE OTHER ACFT. THIS IS A CORPORATE ACFT AND THEY MAKE THE SAME FLT SEVERAL TIMES A WK. THIS IS A SHORT FLT AND THEY DO NOT FILE IFR DUE TO ADDED TIME INVOLVED. THERE HAS BEEN NO FURTHER WORD FROM THE FAA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.