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Attributes | |
ACN | 323442 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2300 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 1030 flight time type : 185 |
ASRS Report | 323442 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During descent, we were told to expect the teterboro VOR- DME approach, all was proceeding normally on the arrival (STAR) we had been assigned. Approach control cleared us for the VOR-DME approach, 'maintain 3000 ft to wanes intersection.' approximately 1/2 mi west of wanes, we idented 3 targets, 12 O'clock position, same altitude, on our TCASII, less than 5 NM and closing. The captain chose to descend momentarily to avoid collision with these (presumably) no transponder (and scud running) aircraft that approach was not aware of. We descended as low as 2300 ft for a min or so in order to avoid collision, and at the last min, directly over wanes saw a twin engine aircraft emerge from clouds at our previous altitude of 3000 ft MSL. We immediately informed the next controller we were 'leveling' at 3000 ft,' as assigned for the approach, and the remainder of the flight was uneventful. The captain and I discussed the situation and felt the controller must have been overloaded to have not been able to advise us of the 3 targets at our altitude, on a collision course directly towards us, as we were under positive control for the IFR approach to teterboro, at the assigned altitude. I feel that in this dense traffic area it would of course have been better to tell the controller of our actions earlier, but due to intense frequency congestion, we just couldn't 'get a word in edgewise.' because of this and other TCASII 'saves,' we believe strongly in our equipment and wish controllers had some idea of what our job is often like in busy airport environments like this. I would be happy to elaborate on the problems of teterboro, as it remains one of the few airports we fly into that seems to always make flcs a bit more anxious and therefore very vigilant.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CGA ACFT ON APCH TO TEB HAS AN NMAC WITH AN UNKNOWN TWIN ENG ACFT. TFC NOT ISSUED.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT, WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT THE TETERBORO VOR- DME APCH, ALL WAS PROCEEDING NORMALLY ON THE ARR (STAR) WE HAD BEEN ASSIGNED. APCH CTL CLRED US FOR THE VOR-DME APCH, 'MAINTAIN 3000 FT TO WANES INTXN.' APPROX 1/2 MI W OF WANES, WE IDENTED 3 TARGETS, 12 O'CLOCK POS, SAME ALT, ON OUR TCASII, LESS THAN 5 NM AND CLOSING. THE CAPT CHOSE TO DSND MOMENTARILY TO AVOID COLLISION WITH THESE (PRESUMABLY) NO XPONDER (AND SCUD RUNNING) ACFT THAT APCH WAS NOT AWARE OF. WE DSNDED AS LOW AS 2300 FT FOR A MIN OR SO IN ORDER TO AVOID COLLISION, AND AT THE LAST MIN, DIRECTLY OVER WANES SAW A TWIN ENG ACFT EMERGE FROM CLOUDS AT OUR PREVIOUS ALT OF 3000 FT MSL. WE IMMEDIATELY INFORMED THE NEXT CTLR WE WERE 'LEVELING' AT 3000 FT,' AS ASSIGNED FOR THE APCH, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. THE CAPT AND I DISCUSSED THE SIT AND FELT THE CTLR MUST HAVE BEEN OVERLOADED TO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ADVISE US OF THE 3 TARGETS AT OUR ALT, ON A COLLISION COURSE DIRECTLY TOWARDS US, AS WE WERE UNDER POSITIVE CTL FOR THE IFR APCH TO TETERBORO, AT THE ASSIGNED ALT. I FEEL THAT IN THIS DENSE TFC AREA IT WOULD OF COURSE HAVE BEEN BETTER TO TELL THE CTLR OF OUR ACTIONS EARLIER, BUT DUE TO INTENSE FREQ CONGESTION, WE JUST COULDN'T 'GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE.' BECAUSE OF THIS AND OTHER TCASII 'SAVES,' WE BELIEVE STRONGLY IN OUR EQUIP AND WISH CTLRS HAD SOME IDEA OF WHAT OUR JOB IS OFTEN LIKE IN BUSY ARPT ENVIRONMENTS LIKE THIS. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON THE PROBS OF TETERBORO, AS IT REMAINS ONE OF THE FEW ARPTS WE FLY INTO THAT SEEMS TO ALWAYS MAKE FLCS A BIT MORE ANXIOUS AND THEREFORE VERY VIGILANT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.