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Attributes | |
ACN | 323448 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 323448 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Unsatisfactory deice at ord. Relief first officer arrived at aircraft at XA05 local. Captain and first officer at XA20 local. All aircraft were being deiced at ord due to freezing rain. Aircraft had been at hangar all day and had accumulated ice and snow in considerable amounts. Relief first officer confirmed that we would need to be deiced and reported the amounts of snow. Aircraft was closed at XB30 local and deice commenced at XB35 local using type I and ii. Captain was advised before deice start and deice complete with holdover start time of XB35 local. Captain was advised deice complete at XB40 local. Captain asked for push crew as soon as possible and, when push driver reported on, released brakes at XB41 local. The left wingwalker stopped everything at that point by telling the driver that the left wing still had visible snow and ice on leading edge and engine cowling. Captain called for deice again. When the deice coordinator reported on the interphone, captain told him to do both wings and tail again since the holdover time had already expired. Second deice began at XC05 local. Only the left wing was done. Captain called for the deice to return. Finally, at XC15 local, our second deice was complete. We departed at the limit of holdover time since there was no falling moisture noted during taxi out. Excuses about shift change and lunch do not cut it. Kudos to ground push crew. The deice inspectors and operators need, in captain's opinion, to be retrained for work in less critical area. This could have ended in disaster and the critical nature of the mistake, missing the entire left wing, cannot/must not ever happen again. I hope that this is made clear to deice people.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CAPT HAS A MAJOR COMPLAINT ABOUT THE DEICING OF HIS ACFT AT ORD.
Narrative: UNSATISFACTORY DEICE AT ORD. RELIEF FO ARRIVED AT ACFT AT XA05 LCL. CAPT AND FO AT XA20 LCL. ALL ACFT WERE BEING DEICED AT ORD DUE TO FREEZING RAIN. ACFT HAD BEEN AT HANGAR ALL DAY AND HAD ACCUMULATED ICE AND SNOW IN CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS. RELIEF FO CONFIRMED THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE DEICED AND RPTED THE AMOUNTS OF SNOW. ACFT WAS CLOSED AT XB30 LCL AND DEICE COMMENCED AT XB35 LCL USING TYPE I AND II. CAPT WAS ADVISED BEFORE DEICE START AND DEICE COMPLETE WITH HOLDOVER START TIME OF XB35 LCL. CAPT WAS ADVISED DEICE COMPLETE AT XB40 LCL. CAPT ASKED FOR PUSH CREW ASAP AND, WHEN PUSH DRIVER RPTED ON, RELEASED BRAKES AT XB41 LCL. THE L WINGWALKER STOPPED EVERYTHING AT THAT POINT BY TELLING THE DRIVER THAT THE L WING STILL HAD VISIBLE SNOW AND ICE ON LEADING EDGE AND ENG COWLING. CAPT CALLED FOR DEICE AGAIN. WHEN THE DEICE COORDINATOR RPTED ON THE INTERPHONE, CAPT TOLD HIM TO DO BOTH WINGS AND TAIL AGAIN SINCE THE HOLDOVER TIME HAD ALREADY EXPIRED. SECOND DEICE BEGAN AT XC05 LCL. ONLY THE L WING WAS DONE. CAPT CALLED FOR THE DEICE TO RETURN. FINALLY, AT XC15 LCL, OUR SECOND DEICE WAS COMPLETE. WE DEPARTED AT THE LIMIT OF HOLDOVER TIME SINCE THERE WAS NO FALLING MOISTURE NOTED DURING TAXI OUT. EXCUSES ABOUT SHIFT CHANGE AND LUNCH DO NOT CUT IT. KUDOS TO GND PUSH CREW. THE DEICE INSPECTORS AND OPERATORS NEED, IN CAPT'S OPINION, TO BE RETRAINED FOR WORK IN LESS CRITICAL AREA. THIS COULD HAVE ENDED IN DISASTER AND THE CRITICAL NATURE OF THE MISTAKE, MISSING THE ENTIRE L WING, CANNOT/MUST NOT EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. I HOPE THAT THIS IS MADE CLR TO DEICE PEOPLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.