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Attributes | |
ACN | 323683 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg tower : bgr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 323683 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on approach to cvg from the northeast. Approach control was vectoring us to final for runway 18L. We were on a 240 degree heading and cleared to descend from 5000 ft to 3500 ft. Speed was slowing from 210 KIAS to 180 KIAS as directed by approach control. At 12 O'clock we saw an aircraft landing light that was obviously heading toward us. It was an aircraft on a right base for runway 18R. He also showed on TCASII. We were watching that aircraft when he began his turn to runway 18R final. About this time approach control asked us if we had the airport in sight. We replied that we did and we were cleared for the visual approach to runway 18L. We began our turn to runway 18L final, still watching the other aircraft turning to runway 18R final. Our controller was late in releasing us for the visual. In addition the other aircraft overshot runway 18R final. We got an RA on our TCASII directing us to climb, which we did. The other aircraft ended up underneath us, approximately 500 ft at the closest point. We both corrected back to course. We asked our controller why he had vectored us directly at another aircraft. He stated that he thought he had given us an additional turn to final to shallow out the intercept angle to runway 18L final (he had not -- he was very busy). Clearly he missed a vector heading. In hindsight I wish that I had questioned the situation sooner. We probably let our guard down a little when we saw the other aircraft begin his turn to final. Finally, I think it was a case of trying to jam too many aircraft into too little airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18L SAW ACR Y ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18R OVERSHOOT HIS TURN ON TO FINAL AND AT THE SAME TIME RECEIVED A TCASII RA TO CLB. ACFT PASSED WITH APPROX 500 FT VERT SEPARATION. ACR X WAS UNHAPPY WITH APCH CTLR VECTOR TECHNIQUE AND FEELS THERE WAS TOO MUCH TFC BEING JAMMED INTO TOO LITTLE AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE ON APCH TO CVG FROM THE NE. APCH CTL WAS VECTORING US TO FINAL FOR RWY 18L. WE WERE ON A 240 DEG HDG AND CLRED TO DSND FROM 5000 FT TO 3500 FT. SPD WAS SLOWING FROM 210 KIAS TO 180 KIAS AS DIRECTED BY APCH CTL. AT 12 O'CLOCK WE SAW AN ACFT LNDG LIGHT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY HDG TOWARD US. IT WAS AN ACFT ON A R BASE FOR RWY 18R. HE ALSO SHOWED ON TCASII. WE WERE WATCHING THAT ACFT WHEN HE BEGAN HIS TURN TO RWY 18R FINAL. ABOUT THIS TIME APCH CTL ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT. WE REPLIED THAT WE DID AND WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18L. WE BEGAN OUR TURN TO RWY 18L FINAL, STILL WATCHING THE OTHER ACFT TURNING TO RWY 18R FINAL. OUR CTLR WAS LATE IN RELEASING US FOR THE VISUAL. IN ADDITION THE OTHER ACFT OVERSHOT RWY 18R FINAL. WE GOT AN RA ON OUR TCASII DIRECTING US TO CLB, WHICH WE DID. THE OTHER ACFT ENDED UP UNDERNEATH US, APPROX 500 FT AT THE CLOSEST POINT. WE BOTH CORRECTED BACK TO COURSE. WE ASKED OUR CTLR WHY HE HAD VECTORED US DIRECTLY AT ANOTHER ACFT. HE STATED THAT HE THOUGHT HE HAD GIVEN US AN ADDITIONAL TURN TO FINAL TO SHALLOW OUT THE INTERCEPT ANGLE TO RWY 18L FINAL (HE HAD NOT -- HE WAS VERY BUSY). CLRLY HE MISSED A VECTOR HDG. IN HINDSIGHT I WISH THAT I HAD QUESTIONED THE SIT SOONER. WE PROBABLY LET OUR GUARD DOWN A LITTLE WHEN WE SAW THE OTHER ACFT BEGIN HIS TURN TO FINAL. FINALLY, I THINK IT WAS A CASE OF TRYING TO JAM TOO MANY ACFT INTO TOO LITTLE AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.