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Attributes | |
ACN | 323773 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : anc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 18700 flight time type : 47 |
ASRS Report | 323773 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Flight was on downwind leg, at 5000 ft, being vectored for another approach. After having performed a go around due to another aircraft passing under us on final approach and triggering a RA. As PF, I noted an intruder aircraft, at 1200 ft, climbing through 4000 ft. Attempted to query socal without success. They finally called out traffic at 12 O'clock and stated it was level at 4500 ft. HSI TCASII display did not agree, showed traffic continued to climb slowly. At approximately 1 mi, got a TA, still no visual contact. TA changed to a RA, climb, climb. TCASII display showed intruder now at 4700 ft and still climbing. As we executed RA escape maneuver, got a quick look at twin engine turboprop aircraft, commuter type, passing directly under us. HSI radio altitude flashed 400 ft as it went under us. We climbed to 6000 ft, and then came back around for another approach. We attempted to find out from socal who the other traffic was and to report a near miss. Socal refused to answer any of our calls concerning this. The entire episode, ie, 2 RA's within 10 mins was occasioned by extremely poor traffic control. They were trying to 'slam dunk' numerous commuter turboprop flts in and around numerous jet and heavy jet transports. We realize they are overloaded with traffic, but the lax area controllers' attitude is, generally speaking, very poor. Neither their ability nor attitude can compare to ord approach which handles much more traffic, in worse WX, much better than socal does. Socal has no conception of what constitutes a stabilized approach, required by FARS and company regulations. They subsequently ordered us to 'speed up and fly alongside that B767.' outrageous! I am extremely concerned that the huge increase in air traffic into lax, coupled with controllers' poor abilities and attitudes is going to result in another catastrophe like the crash there at lax.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-500 GETS TCASII RA ON APCH, MAKES GAR TO AVOID COMMUTER 400 FT BELOW.
Narrative: FLT WAS ON DOWNWIND LEG, AT 5000 FT, BEING VECTORED FOR ANOTHER APCH. AFTER HAVING PERFORMED A GAR DUE TO ANOTHER ACFT PASSING UNDER US ON FINAL APCH AND TRIGGERING A RA. AS PF, I NOTED AN INTRUDER ACFT, AT 1200 FT, CLBING THROUGH 4000 FT. ATTEMPTED TO QUERY SOCAL WITHOUT SUCCESS. THEY FINALLY CALLED OUT TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK AND STATED IT WAS LEVEL AT 4500 FT. HSI TCASII DISPLAY DID NOT AGREE, SHOWED TFC CONTINUED TO CLB SLOWLY. AT APPROX 1 MI, GOT A TA, STILL NO VISUAL CONTACT. TA CHANGED TO A RA, CLB, CLB. TCASII DISPLAY SHOWED INTRUDER NOW AT 4700 FT AND STILL CLBING. AS WE EXECUTED RA ESCAPE MANEUVER, GOT A QUICK LOOK AT TWIN ENG TURBOPROP ACFT, COMMUTER TYPE, PASSING DIRECTLY UNDER US. HSI RADIO ALT FLASHED 400 FT AS IT WENT UNDER US. WE CLBED TO 6000 FT, AND THEN CAME BACK AROUND FOR ANOTHER APCH. WE ATTEMPTED TO FIND OUT FROM SOCAL WHO THE OTHER TFC WAS AND TO RPT A NEAR MISS. SOCAL REFUSED TO ANSWER ANY OF OUR CALLS CONCERNING THIS. THE ENTIRE EPISODE, IE, 2 RA'S WITHIN 10 MINS WAS OCCASIONED BY EXTREMELY POOR TFC CTL. THEY WERE TRYING TO 'SLAM DUNK' NUMEROUS COMMUTER TURBOPROP FLTS IN AND AROUND NUMEROUS JET AND HVY JET TRANSPORTS. WE REALIZE THEY ARE OVERLOADED WITH TFC, BUT THE LAX AREA CTLRS' ATTITUDE IS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, VERY POOR. NEITHER THEIR ABILITY NOR ATTITUDE CAN COMPARE TO ORD APCH WHICH HANDLES MUCH MORE TFC, IN WORSE WX, MUCH BETTER THAN SOCAL DOES. SOCAL HAS NO CONCEPTION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES A STABILIZED APCH, REQUIRED BY FARS AND COMPANY REGS. THEY SUBSEQUENTLY ORDERED US TO 'SPD UP AND FLY ALONGSIDE THAT B767.' OUTRAGEOUS! I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT THE HUGE INCREASE IN AIR TFC INTO LAX, COUPLED WITH CTLRS' POOR ABILITIES AND ATTITUDES IS GOING TO RESULT IN ANOTHER CATASTROPHE LIKE THE CRASH THERE AT LAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.