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Attributes | |
ACN | 325619 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : n90 |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2900 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 325619 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon landing at an uncontrolled airport, the lineman gave us a message to call ny TRACON. TRACON said we had entered both class B and D without clearance. All instruments on board showed more than 20 mi outside the primary airport, lga, and never within 5 mi of hpn. Hpn, class D ends at 2900 ft MSL while class B begins at 3000 ft MSL. How is it possible to violate both class B and D? My belief is that the controllers were mistaken and not aware of the proper altitudes. Many complaints have been voiced about the controllers at hpn and belief is that they were in error, not us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT ENTERED BOTH CLASS B AND D AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC. POSSIBLE ALTIMETER ERROR.
Narrative: UPON LNDG AT AN UNCTLED ARPT, THE LINEMAN GAVE US A MESSAGE TO CALL NY TRACON. TRACON SAID WE HAD ENTERED BOTH CLASS B AND D WITHOUT CLRNC. ALL INSTS ON BOARD SHOWED MORE THAN 20 MI OUTSIDE THE PRIMARY ARPT, LGA, AND NEVER WITHIN 5 MI OF HPN. HPN, CLASS D ENDS AT 2900 FT MSL WHILE CLASS B BEGINS AT 3000 FT MSL. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO VIOLATE BOTH CLASS B AND D? MY BELIEF IS THAT THE CTLRS WERE MISTAKEN AND NOT AWARE OF THE PROPER ALTS. MANY COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN VOICED ABOUT THE CTLRS AT HPN AND BELIEF IS THAT THEY WERE IN ERROR, NOT US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.