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Captain of an large transport believes that he exceeded the flight time duty limitations by flying over 8 hours even though the trip total flight time schedule indicated less than 8 hours.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 326790 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199601 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2800 |
| ASRS Report | 326790 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
We were scheduled by our company to deadhead msp-ord, and then fly ord-aca-ord. The flight time on our schedule for the ord-aca-ord portion was listed at 7 hours 55 mins. On the day of the flight, however, the flight plans showed just over 8 hours for those 2 segments, which did not include the 4 taxi segments. Investigation revealed that even though this trip had been flown several times it had yet to be done under 8 hours. FARS prohibit us from accepting a schedule with over 8 hours, but the company claimed it was legal since it was 'scheduled' under 8 hours. It appears as though the company is assigning us unrealistic schedules to avoid putting on a third pilot. We flew the trip as directed by the company (after notifying them of our concern). We flew at maximum speed with direct routing, and it took approximately 8 1/2 hours.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN LGT BELIEVES THAT HE EXCEEDED THE FLT TIME DUTY LIMITATIONS BY FLYING OVER 8 HRS EVEN THOUGH THE TRIP TOTAL FLT TIME SCHEDULE INDICATED LESS THAN 8 HRS.
Narrative: WE WERE SCHEDULED BY OUR COMPANY TO DEADHEAD MSP-ORD, AND THEN FLY ORD-ACA-ORD. THE FLT TIME ON OUR SCHEDULE FOR THE ORD-ACA-ORD PORTION WAS LISTED AT 7 HRS 55 MINS. ON THE DAY OF THE FLT, HOWEVER, THE FLT PLANS SHOWED JUST OVER 8 HRS FOR THOSE 2 SEGMENTS, WHICH DID NOT INCLUDE THE 4 TAXI SEGMENTS. INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS TRIP HAD BEEN FLOWN SEVERAL TIMES IT HAD YET TO BE DONE UNDER 8 HRS. FARS PROHIBIT US FROM ACCEPTING A SCHEDULE WITH OVER 8 HRS, BUT THE COMPANY CLAIMED IT WAS LEGAL SINCE IT WAS 'SCHEDULED' UNDER 8 HRS. IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE COMPANY IS ASSIGNING US UNREALISTIC SCHEDULES TO AVOID PUTTING ON A THIRD PLT. WE FLEW THE TRIP AS DIRECTED BY THE COMPANY (AFTER NOTIFYING THEM OF OUR CONCERN). WE FLEW AT MAX SPD WITH DIRECT ROUTING, AND IT TOOK APPROX 8 1/2 HRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.