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Attributes | |
ACN | 326807 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : epr |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ory |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 326807 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10600 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 326803 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flight was on assigned heading at FL70 when controller gave instructions. All we understood was 'clearance at 59.' controller was speaking french and english (english to us) but the accent was so prominent that it took me 3 or 4 words to begin to recognize that it was english. She had issued holding clearance for the published pattern at EPR when we were about 10 NM from the VOR. It took 3 inquiries on the very busy frequency before we fully understood the clearance. Since we were going direct to the VOR, we flew past the VOR before beginning the turn to enter holding. At 230 KIAS and flying past the VOR, I'm sure we exceeded the holding pattern limits. Understanding the controller was cause of the problem. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that clearance to hold came late and the instructions to hold were difficult to understand. Radio frequency was so busy they could not verify or have controller repeat instructions. He estimates that with a late turn into the holding pattern that its limits were exceeded, but no mention was made of any problem by the TRACON controller. Reporter stated the other pilot was having the same difficulty in understanding the controller. The best way they knew that controller was talking to them was to try and listen for their call sign, then decipher any other instructions given after the call sign.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC EXCEEDS HOLDING PATTERN LIMITS DUE TO DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING FRENCH CTLR.
Narrative: FLT WAS ON ASSIGNED HEADING AT FL70 WHEN CTLR GAVE INSTRUCTIONS. ALL WE UNDERSTOOD WAS 'CLRNC AT 59.' CTLR WAS SPEAKING FRENCH AND ENGLISH (ENGLISH TO US) BUT THE ACCENT WAS SO PROMINENT THAT IT TOOK ME 3 OR 4 WORDS TO BEGIN TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS ENGLISH. SHE HAD ISSUED HOLDING CLRNC FOR THE PUBLISHED PATTERN AT EPR WHEN WE WERE ABOUT 10 NM FROM THE VOR. IT TOOK 3 INQUIRIES ON THE VERY BUSY FREQ BEFORE WE FULLY UNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC. SINCE WE WERE GOING DIRECT TO THE VOR, WE FLEW PAST THE VOR BEFORE BEGINNING THE TURN TO ENTER HOLDING. AT 230 KIAS AND FLYING PAST THE VOR, I'M SURE WE EXCEEDED THE HOLDING PATTERN LIMITS. UNDERSTANDING THE CTLR WAS CAUSE OF THE PROB. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT CLRNC TO HOLD CAME LATE AND THE INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD WERE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. RADIO FREQ WAS SO BUSY THEY COULD NOT VERIFY OR HAVE CTLR REPEAT INSTRUCTIONS. HE ESTIMATES THAT WITH A LATE TURN INTO THE HOLDING PATTERN THAT ITS LIMITS WERE EXCEEDED, BUT NO MENTION WAS MADE OF ANY PROB BY THE TRACON CTLR. RPTR STATED THE OTHER PLT WAS HAVING THE SAME DIFFICULTY IN UNDERSTANDING THE CTLR. THE BEST WAY THEY KNEW THAT CTLR WAS TALKING TO THEM WAS TO TRY AND LISTEN FOR THEIR CALL SIGN, THEN DECIPHER ANY OTHER INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN AFTER THE CALL SIGN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.