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Attributes | |
ACN | 327786 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 200 agl bound upper : 200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 327786 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Both aircraft were on visual approachs, us to runway 27R the SF340 to runway 35 in good VMC. The SF340 was instructed to 'follow the DC9? On final.' they replied they would slow to follow the traffic. On short (2 mi) final the closure didn't look good (constant bearings!). We queried the tower about our landing clearance. We were told (with no emphasis) 'yes sir, cleared to land.' the situation was developing into an eventual incursion at the intersection of runways 27R and 35. Tower said nothing. It was becoming obvious that the SF340 was not going to land behind us. We opted for a go around at 150 ft AGL by pulling up and banking right. The only thing said by tower was 'flight X you are still cleared to land runway 35!' at this point we saw the SF340 going around, making a climbing left turn away from us. Both aircraft went around and landed without further incident. When we called the tower supervisor to clarify the situation we were told that training was in progress and the trainee was 'downstairs' being debriefed and he was sorry for the problem!! My suggestion is that when training is in progress it would be prudent to notify the pilots to keep us in the loop. Although we always should be at peak awareness, if we hear on ATIS or on initial call 'training in progress' it would make us situation up and take notice for 'unusual' activity. Similar to hearing 'student pilot' on cross country flts, it heightens the awareness of the controllers.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLCS OF A FK100 AND A SF340 BOTH MADE A GAR TO ASSURE AVOIDING ONE ANOTHER ON SHORT FINAL TO LAND ON INTERSECTING RWYS. TWR CTLR IN TRAINING DID NOT TAKE ACTION TO ELIMINATE THE CONFLICT WHEN QUERIED BY THE RPTR REGARDING CONFIRMATION OF LNDG CLRNC.
Narrative: BOTH ACFT WERE ON VISUAL APCHS, US TO RWY 27R THE SF340 TO RWY 35 IN GOOD VMC. THE SF340 WAS INSTRUCTED TO 'FOLLOW THE DC9? ON FINAL.' THEY REPLIED THEY WOULD SLOW TO FOLLOW THE TFC. ON SHORT (2 MI) FINAL THE CLOSURE DIDN'T LOOK GOOD (CONSTANT BEARINGS!). WE QUERIED THE TWR ABOUT OUR LNDG CLRNC. WE WERE TOLD (WITH NO EMPHASIS) 'YES SIR, CLRED TO LAND.' THE SIT WAS DEVELOPING INTO AN EVENTUAL INCURSION AT THE INTXN OF RWYS 27R AND 35. TWR SAID NOTHING. IT WAS BECOMING OBVIOUS THAT THE SF340 WAS NOT GOING TO LAND BEHIND US. WE OPTED FOR A GAR AT 150 FT AGL BY PULLING UP AND BANKING R. THE ONLY THING SAID BY TWR WAS 'FLT X YOU ARE STILL CLRED TO LAND RWY 35!' AT THIS POINT WE SAW THE SF340 GOING AROUND, MAKING A CLBING L TURN AWAY FROM US. BOTH ACFT WENT AROUND AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. WHEN WE CALLED THE TWR SUPVR TO CLARIFY THE SIT WE WERE TOLD THAT TRAINING WAS IN PROGRESS AND THE TRAINEE WAS 'DOWNSTAIRS' BEING DEBRIEFED AND HE WAS SORRY FOR THE PROB!! MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WHEN TRAINING IS IN PROGRESS IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO NOTIFY THE PLTS TO KEEP US IN THE LOOP. ALTHOUGH WE ALWAYS SHOULD BE AT PEAK AWARENESS, IF WE HEAR ON ATIS OR ON INITIAL CALL 'TRAINING IN PROGRESS' IT WOULD MAKE US SIT UP AND TAKE NOTICE FOR 'UNUSUAL' ACTIVITY. SIMILAR TO HEARING 'STUDENT PLT' ON XCOUNTRY FLTS, IT HEIGHTENS THE AWARENESS OF THE CTLRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.