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Attributes | |
ACN | 328130 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yul |
State Reference | PQ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 328130 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 327989 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Told to taxi to runway 28 via north ramp and to hold short of taxiway A4. Ramp was covered with snow (plowed but hardpacked) which obscured normal taxiway lines. Directed by ground to get to taxiway A4 by taxiing around 5 or 6 snow removal vehicles that were in my way at ramp and beginning of taxiway A4. Told to taxi by ground to runway 28 via taxiway A4 and taxiway a and contact tower. I taxied onto taxiway a toward runway 28 but did not see the hold short lines on taxiway (which was obscured by snow) or the runway identify sign on taxiway a short of extended runway 28 centerline. Copilot switched to tower frequency while on taxiway a and tower told us to hold our position. The nose of my aircraft was over the extended south edge of runway 28. An aircraft was on a 3 mi final to runway 28 and was told to go around. We were subsequently told to taxi onto runway 28 and wait. Takeoff clearance was given uneventfully. Factors: 1) unfamiliar with airfield. 2) ramp/txwys snow covered. 3) confusing signage. 4) controller switching between french and english (constantly) causing minor lack of total situational awareness. 5) canadian controller verbiage is slightly different than in USA. Supplemental information from acn 327989: the captain was not braking to stop where I thought he should have and I exclaimed, 'that's the runway right there.' he said, 'yeah, I know, we're cleared into position, right?' and I said 'no!' he explained he had been to montreal a thousand times and knew exactly where he was. An airbus initiated a go around (which was approaching runway 28) because the crew didn't like our proximity to the runway. The nose of our aircraft was several ft over the extended runway edge, although we were technically still on taxiway a. The captain was over confident with his ability to find the runway on his own and did not use effective crew resource management in allowing me to 'catch up' and feel comfortable with exactly where we were and what our instructions were. If I could have seen our position in relation to the runway out the left window, I would have applied brakes myself earlier.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DUE TO NUMEROUS CONTRIBUTING FACTORS ACFT WAS TAXIED TOO CLOSE TO ACTIVE RWY AND ACFT ON FINAL APCH DID A GAR.
Narrative: TOLD TO TAXI TO RWY 28 VIA N RAMP AND TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY A4. RAMP WAS COVERED WITH SNOW (PLOWED BUT HARDPACKED) WHICH OBSCURED NORMAL TXWY LINES. DIRECTED BY GND TO GET TO TXWY A4 BY TAXIING AROUND 5 OR 6 SNOW REMOVAL VEHICLES THAT WERE IN MY WAY AT RAMP AND BEGINNING OF TXWY A4. TOLD TO TAXI BY GND TO RWY 28 VIA TXWY A4 AND TXWY A AND CONTACT TWR. I TAXIED ONTO TXWY A TOWARD RWY 28 BUT DID NOT SEE THE HOLD SHORT LINES ON TXWY (WHICH WAS OBSCURED BY SNOW) OR THE RWY IDENT SIGN ON TXWY A SHORT OF EXTENDED RWY 28 CTRLINE. COPLT SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ WHILE ON TXWY A AND TWR TOLD US TO HOLD OUR POS. THE NOSE OF MY ACFT WAS OVER THE EXTENDED S EDGE OF RWY 28. AN ACFT WAS ON A 3 MI FINAL TO RWY 28 AND WAS TOLD TO GAR. WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY TOLD TO TAXI ONTO RWY 28 AND WAIT. TKOF CLRNC WAS GIVEN UNEVENTFULLY. FACTORS: 1) UNFAMILIAR WITH AIRFIELD. 2) RAMP/TXWYS SNOW COVERED. 3) CONFUSING SIGNAGE. 4) CTLR SWITCHING BTWN FRENCH AND ENGLISH (CONSTANTLY) CAUSING MINOR LACK OF TOTAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. 5) CANADIAN CTLR VERBIAGE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN IN USA. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 327989: THE CAPT WAS NOT BRAKING TO STOP WHERE I THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE AND I EXCLAIMED, 'THAT'S THE RWY RIGHT THERE.' HE SAID, 'YEAH, I KNOW, WE'RE CLRED INTO POS, RIGHT?' AND I SAID 'NO!' HE EXPLAINED HE HAD BEEN TO MONTREAL A THOUSAND TIMES AND KNEW EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS. AN AIRBUS INITIATED A GAR (WHICH WAS APCHING RWY 28) BECAUSE THE CREW DIDN'T LIKE OUR PROX TO THE RWY. THE NOSE OF OUR ACFT WAS SEVERAL FT OVER THE EXTENDED RWY EDGE, ALTHOUGH WE WERE TECHNICALLY STILL ON TXWY A. THE CAPT WAS OVER CONFIDENT WITH HIS ABILITY TO FIND THE RWY ON HIS OWN AND DID NOT USE EFFECTIVE CREW RESOURCE MGMNT IN ALLOWING ME TO 'CATCH UP' AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE AND WHAT OUR INSTRUCTIONS WERE. IF I COULD HAVE SEEN OUR POS IN RELATION TO THE RWY OUT THE L WINDOW, I WOULD HAVE APPLIED BRAKES MYSELF EARLIER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.