With an aci on board, the flight crew determined that deicing was not needed prior to takeoff which ...

Attributes
ACN	328465
Time
Date	199602
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	airport : anc
State Reference	AK
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1200
ASRS Report	328465
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	328206
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We had a FAA inspector on board our aircraft doing a line inspection from anc to sea on flight of feb/xx/96. The inspector brought 2 issues to our attention. 1) we did not deice the aircraft prior to departure. 2) I had 2 revisions of last yr not inserted in my flight manual. 1) we did not deice the aircraft because we did not find the conditions as such a nature that it was necessary. I did the exterior preflight prior to departure and found no snow or ice adhering to the surface of the aircraft. It was some very light flurries in the air, nothing that did accumulate. We did not find any reason to deice the aircraft. The inspector did not let us know if he knew of anything unsafe to the operation of this flight, nor did he ever mention deicing or any other concerns of his until parked at the gate in sea. 2) the last 2 revisions of 1995 in my flight manual #5 and #6 of dec and I did not receive. Since our revision starts all over again with #1 in the beginning of the year I did not realize that they were missing until the last revision #3 of 1996 when I realized that I had a bulletin missing on the checklist. The #3 revision of 1996 was in my possession but not inserted since I just received it prior to this trip. The FAA inspector gave me a quiz on this revision #3 and found my knowledge satisfying. He told me that 2 revisions missing (obvious not of pure negligence on my part since I did not have revisions of later date already inserted) he could and would ignore that if I passed his quiz. I did pass the quiz per the FAA inspector. The inspector assured me not only once but twice and possibly even 3 times and also gave me his promise that no violation at all would be filed in regards to my missing revisions, however he did say that he would have to send a note to my flight office to make sure that there is not a problem with our revision update system.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: WITH AN ACI ON BOARD, THE FLC DETERMINED THAT DEICING WAS NOT NEEDED PRIOR TO TKOF WHICH THE ACI FAULTED THEM FOR, AND THE RPTR FO'S PUB REVISIONS WERE NOT UP TO DATE.

Narrative: WE HAD A FAA INSPECTOR ON BOARD OUR ACFT DOING A LINE INSPECTION FROM ANC TO SEA ON FLT OF FEB/XX/96. THE INSPECTOR BROUGHT 2 ISSUES TO OUR ATTN. 1) WE DID NOT DEICE THE ACFT PRIOR TO DEP. 2) I HAD 2 REVISIONS OF LAST YR NOT INSERTED IN MY FLT MANUAL. 1) WE DID NOT DEICE THE ACFT BECAUSE WE DID NOT FIND THE CONDITIONS AS SUCH A NATURE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY. I DID THE EXTERIOR PREFLT PRIOR TO DEP AND FOUND NO SNOW OR ICE ADHERING TO THE SURFACE OF THE ACFT. IT WAS SOME VERY LIGHT FLURRIES IN THE AIR, NOTHING THAT DID ACCUMULATE. WE DID NOT FIND ANY REASON TO DEICE THE ACFT. THE INSPECTOR DID NOT LET US KNOW IF HE KNEW OF ANYTHING UNSAFE TO THE OP OF THIS FLT, NOR DID HE EVER MENTION DEICING OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS OF HIS UNTIL PARKED AT THE GATE IN SEA. 2) THE LAST 2 REVISIONS OF 1995 IN MY FLT MANUAL #5 AND #6 OF DEC AND I DID NOT RECEIVE. SINCE OUR REVISION STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN WITH #1 IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THEY WERE MISSING UNTIL THE LAST REVISION #3 OF 1996 WHEN I REALIZED THAT I HAD A BULLETIN MISSING ON THE CHKLIST. THE #3 REVISION OF 1996 WAS IN MY POSSESSION BUT NOT INSERTED SINCE I JUST RECEIVED IT PRIOR TO THIS TRIP. THE FAA INSPECTOR GAVE ME A QUIZ ON THIS REVISION #3 AND FOUND MY KNOWLEDGE SATISFYING. HE TOLD ME THAT 2 REVISIONS MISSING (OBVIOUS NOT OF PURE NEGLIGENCE ON MY PART SINCE I DID NOT HAVE REVISIONS OF LATER DATE ALREADY INSERTED) HE COULD AND WOULD IGNORE THAT IF I PASSED HIS QUIZ. I DID PASS THE QUIZ PER THE FAA INSPECTOR. THE INSPECTOR ASSURED ME NOT ONLY ONCE BUT TWICE AND POSSIBLY EVEN 3 TIMES AND ALSO GAVE ME HIS PROMISE THAT NO VIOLATION AT ALL WOULD BE FILED IN REGARDS TO MY MISSING REVISIONS, HOWEVER HE DID SAY THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO SEND A NOTE TO MY FLT OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT A PROB WITH OUR REVISION UPDATE SYS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

With an aci on board, the flight crew determined that deicing was not needed prior to takeoff which the aci faulted them for, and the reporter first officer's publication revisions were not up to date.