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Tower local controller requested flight crew report the OM when on an ILS approach. They failed to report it because they lost the DME's temporarily, but could have reported their position relative to the GS. Tower released another aircraft to takeoff toward approaching aircraft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 328702 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199602 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bdr |
| State Reference | CT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 1600 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bdr |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Turbo Commander 980 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 2540 |
| ASRS Report | 328702 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On feb/fri/96, we conducted an IFR flight from 2b6 to bdr. Ny approach vectored us to the final approach course at 2000 ft MSL for runway 6 at bdr. When ny switched us over to the bdr tower we had already been established on the ILS runway 6. On the tower frequency we reported, established on the ILS runway 6. The tower advised us to report stane intersection. When we double-checked the approach chart for runway 6, we noticed that we lost the DME indication. When the DME indication came back, we checked our position on the ILS and found out that we already passed stane. By that time we had the runway in sight and reported this to tower. There we noticed a single engine piper in a left turn, which took off from runway 24, I believe for touch and goes. This plane came not near us, we had to take no actions and continued our approach. The piper was approximately 1 1/2 mi away and about 500 ft lower than us. It was just a surprise for us seeing another airplane, which took off from the opposite runway. After we landed on runway 6, the tower advised us to report stane intersection the next time, because they cannot see our position on the ILS. I believe, that by the time we had been advised to report stane, we had been right over it, if not already passed it. If we did not lose our DME indication for a few seconds, we could have verified our position on the ILS for sure right away. As we had not a great VFR day that morning, I was wondering why the tower let somebody takeoff on an opposite runway while there is an IFR inbound on the ILS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWR LCL CTLR REQUESTED FLC RPT THE OM WHEN ON AN ILS APCH. THEY FAILED TO RPT IT BECAUSE THEY LOST THE DME'S TEMPORARILY, BUT COULD HAVE RPTED THEIR POS RELATIVE TO THE GS. TWR RELEASED ANOTHER ACFT TO TKOF TOWARD APCHING ACFT.
Narrative: ON FEB/FRI/96, WE CONDUCTED AN IFR FLT FROM 2B6 TO BDR. NY APCH VECTORED US TO THE FINAL APCH COURSE AT 2000 FT MSL FOR RWY 6 AT BDR. WHEN NY SWITCHED US OVER TO THE BDR TWR WE HAD ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED ON THE ILS RWY 6. ON THE TWR FREQ WE RPTED, ESTABLISHED ON THE ILS RWY 6. THE TWR ADVISED US TO RPT STANE INTXN. WHEN WE DOUBLE-CHKED THE APCH CHART FOR RWY 6, WE NOTICED THAT WE LOST THE DME INDICATION. WHEN THE DME INDICATION CAME BACK, WE CHKED OUR POS ON THE ILS AND FOUND OUT THAT WE ALREADY PASSED STANE. BY THAT TIME WE HAD THE RWY IN SIGHT AND RPTED THIS TO TWR. THERE WE NOTICED A SINGLE ENG PIPER IN A L TURN, WHICH TOOK OFF FROM RWY 24, I BELIEVE FOR TOUCH AND GOES. THIS PLANE CAME NOT NEAR US, WE HAD TO TAKE NO ACTIONS AND CONTINUED OUR APCH. THE PIPER WAS APPROX 1 1/2 MI AWAY AND ABOUT 500 FT LOWER THAN US. IT WAS JUST A SURPRISE FOR US SEEING ANOTHER AIRPLANE, WHICH TOOK OFF FROM THE OPPOSITE RWY. AFTER WE LANDED ON RWY 6, THE TWR ADVISED US TO RPT STANE INTXN THE NEXT TIME, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT SEE OUR POS ON THE ILS. I BELIEVE, THAT BY THE TIME WE HAD BEEN ADVISED TO RPT STANE, WE HAD BEEN RIGHT OVER IT, IF NOT ALREADY PASSED IT. IF WE DID NOT LOSE OUR DME INDICATION FOR A FEW SECONDS, WE COULD HAVE VERIFIED OUR POS ON THE ILS FOR SURE RIGHT AWAY. AS WE HAD NOT A GREAT VFR DAY THAT MORNING, I WAS WONDERING WHY THE TWR LET SOMEBODY TKOF ON AN OPPOSITE RWY WHILE THERE IS AN IFR INBOUND ON THE ILS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.