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Attributes | |
ACN | 328930 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14800 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 328930 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Aircraft was found to have 3 galley carts missing upon acceptance inspection/preflight. These carts are part of basic operating weight and balance calculation. Company had to be specifically instructed to calculate weight and balance data prior to departure. Flight operated normally, no MEL/cdl relief specifically found. Used douglas DC9 operational letter from company engineer. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: there has been no follow up regarding this incident. Reporter states that his company was creating a new interior replacing a galley area and placing all carts in the rear. These carts are very large and make a major difference in weight and balance. Reporter had a recent experience with an uncommanded rotation just prior to vr on another flight resulting in a tail strike. This was determined to be due to the cart replacement. Of course neither maintenance nor weight and balance people nor dispatch would accept blame for the problem. Since reporter would not accept pilot error as the problem there was quite a delay. This caused a delay report to which there must be a response. Hopefully this investigation will help to correct the problem. Reporter states that due to this experience he has lost confidence in maintenance and will not accept any aircraft that is not absolutely right. This is why he waited until he had all the proper documentation in this reported incident before he would accept the aircraft and make the flight. The mcdonald douglas letter indicating the carts were not part of the MEL is what reporter based his decision upon to accept the flight. There are 8 or 9 carts on the aircraft and their weight makes a big difference.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 FLC HAS DIFFICULTY WITH WT AND BAL DUE TO 3 MISSING CARTS. FLT DELAY.
Narrative: ACFT WAS FOUND TO HAVE 3 GALLEY CARTS MISSING UPON ACCEPTANCE INSPECTION/PREFLT. THESE CARTS ARE PART OF BASIC OPERATING WT AND BAL CALCULATION. COMPANY HAD TO BE SPECIFICALLY INSTRUCTED TO CALCULATE WT AND BAL DATA PRIOR TO DEP. FLT OPERATED NORMALLY, NO MEL/CDL RELIEF SPECIFICALLY FOUND. USED DOUGLAS DC9 OPERATIONAL LETTER FROM COMPANY ENGINEER. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THERE HAS BEEN NO FOLLOW UP REGARDING THIS INCIDENT. RPTR STATES THAT HIS COMPANY WAS CREATING A NEW INTERIOR REPLACING A GALLEY AREA AND PLACING ALL CARTS IN THE REAR. THESE CARTS ARE VERY LARGE AND MAKE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN WT AND BAL. RPTR HAD A RECENT EXPERIENCE WITH AN UNCOMMANDED ROTATION JUST PRIOR TO VR ON ANOTHER FLT RESULTING IN A TAIL STRIKE. THIS WAS DETERMINED TO BE DUE TO THE CART REPLACEMENT. OF COURSE NEITHER MAINT NOR WT AND BAL PEOPLE NOR DISPATCH WOULD ACCEPT BLAME FOR THE PROB. SINCE RPTR WOULD NOT ACCEPT PLT ERROR AS THE PROB THERE WAS QUITE A DELAY. THIS CAUSED A DELAY RPT TO WHICH THERE MUST BE A RESPONSE. HOPEFULLY THIS INVESTIGATION WILL HELP TO CORRECT THE PROB. RPTR STATES THAT DUE TO THIS EXPERIENCE HE HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN MAINT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY ACFT THAT IS NOT ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS WHY HE WAITED UNTIL HE HAD ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION IN THIS RPTED INCIDENT BEFORE HE WOULD ACCEPT THE ACFT AND MAKE THE FLT. THE MCDONALD DOUGLAS LETTER INDICATING THE CARTS WERE NOT PART OF THE MEL IS WHAT RPTR BASED HIS DECISION UPON TO ACCEPT THE FLT. THERE ARE 8 OR 9 CARTS ON THE ACFT AND THEIR WT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.