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A helicopter pilot flying at 1000 ft up the hudson river is accused of flying in lga class B airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 329420 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199602 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lga airport : jrb |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lga |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Helicopter |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 329420 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
On a flight from jrb (wall street) to hpn I flew up the hudson river to hpn under no control except for hpn tower. When I landed at hpn I was told to call lga class B control. When I called lga I was told that I wandered into class B airspace. I told them that I did not. I also told lga it was the second time one of our aircraft were questioned about airspace in the last week. I was firm and lga told me they may have an alignment problem. I heard the controller in the background saying I busted his airspace. I have been flying the nyc airspace for 20 yrs, plus I have DME and an argus moving map. I have 3 things to tell me where I am. Lga only has one. I realize you are in business for safety, not to protect pilots, but if lga has a radar problem and they spend time tracking aircraft and getting upset, I think that is a safety issue. I volunteered to give their airspace a wider berth, but our company has been flying around nyc for 37 yrs and never had a problem. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated the A109A helicopter is the agusta. The reporter stated he was visually over the river. This would put him east of the teterboro class D airspace and west of the lga class B to the surface airspace. In addition he had his moving map display.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A HELICOPTER PLT FLYING AT 1000 FT UP THE HUDSON RIVER IS ACCUSED OF FLYING IN LGA CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON A FLT FROM JRB (WALL STREET) TO HPN I FLEW UP THE HUDSON RIVER TO HPN UNDER NO CTL EXCEPT FOR HPN TWR. WHEN I LANDED AT HPN I WAS TOLD TO CALL LGA CLASS B CTL. WHEN I CALLED LGA I WAS TOLD THAT I WANDERED INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE. I TOLD THEM THAT I DID NOT. I ALSO TOLD LGA IT WAS THE SECOND TIME ONE OF OUR ACFT WERE QUESTIONED ABOUT AIRSPACE IN THE LAST WK. I WAS FIRM AND LGA TOLD ME THEY MAY HAVE AN ALIGNMENT PROB. I HEARD THE CTLR IN THE BACKGROUND SAYING I BUSTED HIS AIRSPACE. I HAVE BEEN FLYING THE NYC AIRSPACE FOR 20 YRS, PLUS I HAVE DME AND AN ARGUS MOVING MAP. I HAVE 3 THINGS TO TELL ME WHERE I AM. LGA ONLY HAS ONE. I REALIZE YOU ARE IN BUSINESS FOR SAFETY, NOT TO PROTECT PLTS, BUT IF LGA HAS A RADAR PROB AND THEY SPEND TIME TRACKING ACFT AND GETTING UPSET, I THINK THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. I VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE THEIR AIRSPACE A WIDER BERTH, BUT OUR COMPANY HAS BEEN FLYING AROUND NYC FOR 37 YRS AND NEVER HAD A PROB. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED THE A109A HELI IS THE AGUSTA. THE RPTR STATED HE WAS VISUALLY OVER THE RIVER. THIS WOULD PUT HIM E OF THE TETERBORO CLASS D AIRSPACE AND W OF THE LGA CLASS B TO THE SURFACE AIRSPACE. IN ADDITION HE HAD HIS MOVING MAP DISPLAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.