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Attributes | |
ACN | 330460 |
Time | |
Date | 199603 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : gdm |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : zbw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 330460 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight was en route den-bos. So left cockpit for blue room, followed by first officer then captain. First officer was PF and was proceeding along J82 to alb when he left cockpit. Upon return, captain left cockpit as first officer was seated. First officer was unaware that ATC had cleared flight direct gdm during his absence (captain later stated he thought he had told him). First officer was descending airplane to FL240 to get out of bumpy air (hand-flying) and was given a frequency change. While leveling off, changing frequencys and reporting in, captain returned to flight deck. First officer proceeded to tell captain of frequency change when ZBW told flight to cross bronc intersection (15 east gdm) at 11000 ft with no speed restr. First officer computed descent distance and told captain he would start a high speed descent (flight was late) 25 DME west gdm, at which time captain stated you're now only 5 west. First officer then realized for the first time that captain had switched his navigation to gdm (during his absence) and was high. First officer pulled throttles to idle and started to pull speed brakes for descent when captain stated, 'you won't need those, you'll still be down with room to spare.' first officer then just descended on the barber pole (mode B) while he recomputed his descent (figuring the captain was right) when he realized passing FL180 that he would not make the crossing, even with speed brakes from that point, and told the captain so while he pulled out the brakes. Captain then told center that flight would be high at crossing but 'would do our best' with no reply from bos. Flight crossed 2000 ft high with no words from center. No traffic conflict observed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR FO WAS UNAWARE OF CLRNC RECEIVED WHILE HE WAS OUT OF THE COCKPIT. THE CAPT THOUGHT HE HAD TOLD THE FO OF THE CLRNC, BUT HADN'T. CONSEQUENTLY, RPTR FO, PF, WAS UNABLE TO MAKE XING RESTR ASSIGNMENT. POOR COCKPIT COM CRM.
Narrative: FLT WAS ENRTE DEN-BOS. SO LEFT COCKPIT FOR BLUE ROOM, FOLLOWED BY FO THEN CAPT. FO WAS PF AND WAS PROCEEDING ALONG J82 TO ALB WHEN HE LEFT COCKPIT. UPON RETURN, CAPT LEFT COCKPIT AS FO WAS SEATED. FO WAS UNAWARE THAT ATC HAD CLRED FLT DIRECT GDM DURING HIS ABSENCE (CAPT LATER STATED HE THOUGHT HE HAD TOLD HIM). FO WAS DSNDING AIRPLANE TO FL240 TO GET OUT OF BUMPY AIR (HAND-FLYING) AND WAS GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE. WHILE LEVELING OFF, CHANGING FREQS AND RPTING IN, CAPT RETURNED TO FLT DECK. FO PROCEEDED TO TELL CAPT OF FREQ CHANGE WHEN ZBW TOLD FLT TO CROSS BRONC INTXN (15 E GDM) AT 11000 FT WITH NO SPD RESTR. FO COMPUTED DSCNT DISTANCE AND TOLD CAPT HE WOULD START A HIGH SPD DSCNT (FLT WAS LATE) 25 DME W GDM, AT WHICH TIME CAPT STATED YOU'RE NOW ONLY 5 W. FO THEN REALIZED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT CAPT HAD SWITCHED HIS NAV TO GDM (DURING HIS ABSENCE) AND WAS HIGH. FO PULLED THROTTLES TO IDLE AND STARTED TO PULL SPD BRAKES FOR DSCNT WHEN CAPT STATED, 'YOU WON'T NEED THOSE, YOU'LL STILL BE DOWN WITH ROOM TO SPARE.' FO THEN JUST DSNDED ON THE BARBER POLE (MODE B) WHILE HE RECOMPUTED HIS DSCNT (FIGURING THE CAPT WAS RIGHT) WHEN HE REALIZED PASSING FL180 THAT HE WOULD NOT MAKE THE XING, EVEN WITH SPD BRAKES FROM THAT POINT, AND TOLD THE CAPT SO WHILE HE PULLED OUT THE BRAKES. CAPT THEN TOLD CTR THAT FLT WOULD BE HIGH AT XING BUT 'WOULD DO OUR BEST' WITH NO REPLY FROM BOS. FLT CROSSED 2000 FT HIGH WITH NO WORDS FROM CTR. NO TFC CONFLICT OBSERVED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.