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An air carrier pilot reports that the runway end sign at the takeoff end of runway 17 at mco is non-standard.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 330930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199603 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mco |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 25800 flight time type : 1680 |
| ASRS Report | 330930 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
This report is to report that the runway end sign at the takeoff end of runway 17 at orlando international airport is not standard. The sign marking the end of runway 17 for full takeoff is an intersection sign! It reads H1 17-35 which indicates one is at the intersection of runway 17/35 and taxiway H-1. It should read H-1 17 which would indicate one is at the intersection of taxiway H-1 at the beginning of the full takeoff length of runway 17. The united states airport sign system requirements are very specific. The single number without hyphen is to mark the beginning of the takeoff end. For those of us whose operations specifications require full length takeoffs this is important. In a low visibility taxi situation it is possible for one to see the current sign and continue to taxi north on taxiway G or H while looking for the end of the runway. Such a situation would result in muddy wheels and a lot of paperwork. I strongly request this sign be changed to its proper form ie, blank out the hyphen and the number 35. See commercial route manual introduction section page 151 or airman's information manual.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT RPTS THAT THE RWY END SIGN AT THE TKOF END OF RWY 17 AT MCO IS NON-STANDARD.
Narrative: THIS RPT IS TO RPT THAT THE RWY END SIGN AT THE TKOF END OF RWY 17 AT ORLANDO INTL ARPT IS NOT STANDARD. THE SIGN MARKING THE END OF RWY 17 FOR FULL TKOF IS AN INTXN SIGN! IT READS H1 17-35 WHICH INDICATES ONE IS AT THE INTXN OF RWY 17/35 AND TXWY H-1. IT SHOULD READ H-1 17 WHICH WOULD INDICATE ONE IS AT THE INTXN OF TXWY H-1 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FULL TKOF LENGTH OF RWY 17. THE UNITED STATES ARPT SIGN SYS REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY SPECIFIC. THE SINGLE NUMBER WITHOUT HYPHEN IS TO MARK THE BEGINNING OF THE TKOF END. FOR THOSE OF US WHOSE OPS SPECS REQUIRE FULL LENGTH TKOFS THIS IS IMPORTANT. IN A LOW VISIBILITY TAXI SIT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SEE THE CURRENT SIGN AND CONTINUE TO TAXI N ON TXWY G OR H WHILE LOOKING FOR THE END OF THE RWY. SUCH A SIT WOULD RESULT IN MUDDY WHEELS AND A LOT OF PAPERWORK. I STRONGLY REQUEST THIS SIGN BE CHANGED TO ITS PROPER FORM IE, BLANK OUT THE HYPHEN AND THE NUMBER 35. SEE COMMERCIAL RTE MANUAL INTRODUCTION SECTION PAGE 151 OR AIRMAN'S INFO MANUAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.