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Attributes | |
ACN | 333261 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mod airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | L-1011 Tri-Star All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 333261 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Approaching mod on the modesto 2 arrival to sfo, we were slowed to 250 KTS and given a 'cross cedes at 11000 ft.' we were 10 mi behind a heavy L1011 and encountered his wake, causing bank angles of 20 degrees in either direction. Needless to say, I was a little gun-shy from that point on regarding wake turbulence. Bay approach slowed us to 210 KTS and descended us, saying, 'you will have parallel traffic on the left, a B757, I'll point him out when he gets closer.' I could see that the WX was not appropriate for parallel visuals, and I advised that we were IMC. Approach then gave us a heading of 280 degrees to provide separation (I had a target on TCASII that appeared to be 3 mi abeam). We were slowed to 180 KTS and given a descent to 2000 ft and directed to 'report the airport and the traffic in sight.' since we were still in and out of clouds, I said, 'we're IMC.' approach then gave us a heading of 260 degrees toward the field and the unseen traffic and said, 'the B757 has you in sight and will maintain visual separation.' we broke out and called the field, but did not call the B757 (we were on an intercept heading). We were going to be wingtip-to-wingtip or behind the B757 and downwind of him. If it weren't for the sick passenger, I would have gone around, but instead, after switching to tower, I accelerated to 200 KTS to get in front and threw everything out while turning, just barely being stabilized at 500 ft. This was yet another case of 'forcing visuals.' the WX was more appropriate for the lda-DME runway 28R with the B757 on the bay ILS, but the 4 mi stagger was not applied. Approach was attempting a join- up, without regard for wake turbulence considerations. This is obviously not in the best interests of safety. I am also curious how the B757 could have me in sight when I was in the clouds (approach was using 2 different frequencys, so I couldn't hear the B757). This was a good example of the problems inherent with simultaneous offset instrument approachs (soia) where separation of aircraft and wake turbulence criteria are compromised for capacity enhancement. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this reporter said that he was aware of preceding traffic because of its radio xmissions, but he did not know what type it was until after he hit its wake. He was surprised by its effect. The B737-200 was rolled both left and right to about 20 degrees in spite of his full aileron input through the autoplt's control wheel steering mode. After this he inquired about the traffic and then told the ARTCC radar controller about the encounter.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737-200 STRUCK THE WAKE OF AN L1011 AT APPROX 17000 FT OVER MOD WHILE ON THE MOD 2 STAR. THE B737-200 ROLLED UP TO 20 DEGS L AND R IN SPITE OF AILERON INPUTS BY THE CAPT TO COUNTER THE ROLLS.
Narrative: APCHING MOD ON THE MODESTO 2 ARR TO SFO, WE WERE SLOWED TO 250 KTS AND GIVEN A 'CROSS CEDES AT 11000 FT.' WE WERE 10 MI BEHIND A HVY L1011 AND ENCOUNTERED HIS WAKE, CAUSING BANK ANGLES OF 20 DEGS IN EITHER DIRECTION. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I WAS A LITTLE GUN-SHY FROM THAT POINT ON REGARDING WAKE TURB. BAY APCH SLOWED US TO 210 KTS AND DSNDED US, SAYING, 'YOU WILL HAVE PARALLEL TFC ON THE L, A B757, I'LL POINT HIM OUT WHEN HE GETS CLOSER.' I COULD SEE THAT THE WX WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR PARALLEL VISUALS, AND I ADVISED THAT WE WERE IMC. APCH THEN GAVE US A HDG OF 280 DEGS TO PROVIDE SEPARATION (I HAD A TARGET ON TCASII THAT APPEARED TO BE 3 MI ABEAM). WE WERE SLOWED TO 180 KTS AND GIVEN A DSCNT TO 2000 FT AND DIRECTED TO 'RPT THE ARPT AND THE TFC IN SIGHT.' SINCE WE WERE STILL IN AND OUT OF CLOUDS, I SAID, 'WE'RE IMC.' APCH THEN GAVE US A HDG OF 260 DEGS TOWARD THE FIELD AND THE UNSEEN TFC AND SAID, 'THE B757 HAS YOU IN SIGHT AND WILL MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION.' WE BROKE OUT AND CALLED THE FIELD, BUT DID NOT CALL THE B757 (WE WERE ON AN INTERCEPT HDG). WE WERE GOING TO BE WINGTIP-TO-WINGTIP OR BEHIND THE B757 AND DOWNWIND OF HIM. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE SICK PAX, I WOULD HAVE GONE AROUND, BUT INSTEAD, AFTER SWITCHING TO TWR, I ACCELERATED TO 200 KTS TO GET IN FRONT AND THREW EVERYTHING OUT WHILE TURNING, JUST BARELY BEING STABILIZED AT 500 FT. THIS WAS YET ANOTHER CASE OF 'FORCING VISUALS.' THE WX WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LDA-DME RWY 28R WITH THE B757 ON THE BAY ILS, BUT THE 4 MI STAGGER WAS NOT APPLIED. APCH WAS ATTEMPTING A JOIN- UP, WITHOUT REGARD FOR WAKE TURB CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF SAFETY. I AM ALSO CURIOUS HOW THE B757 COULD HAVE ME IN SIGHT WHEN I WAS IN THE CLOUDS (APCH WAS USING 2 DIFFERENT FREQS, SO I COULDN'T HEAR THE B757). THIS WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE PROBS INHERENT WITH SIMULTANEOUS OFFSET INST APCHS (SOIA) WHERE SEPARATION OF ACFT AND WAKE TURB CRITERIA ARE COMPROMISED FOR CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS RPTR SAID THAT HE WAS AWARE OF PRECEDING TFC BECAUSE OF ITS RADIO XMISSIONS, BUT HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT TYPE IT WAS UNTIL AFTER HE HIT ITS WAKE. HE WAS SURPRISED BY ITS EFFECT. THE B737-200 WAS ROLLED BOTH L AND R TO ABOUT 20 DEGS IN SPITE OF HIS FULL AILERON INPUT THROUGH THE AUTOPLT'S CTL WHEEL STEERING MODE. AFTER THIS HE INQUIRED ABOUT THE TFC AND THEN TOLD THE ARTCC RADAR CTLR ABOUT THE ENCOUNTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.